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Gold cup from 2,500 years ago found under bed
The Times Online ^ | May 28, 2008 | Simon de Bruxelles

Posted on 05/28/2008 3:13:20 AM PDT by Daffynition

A 2,500-year-old gold cup that has spent the past 60 years in a box under its owner’s bed is expected to fetch up to £100,000 after being rediscovered during a house move.

The cup was given to John Webber by his grandfather, a rag-and-bone man, who acquired it in the 1930s.

Because his grandfather, William Sparks, dealt in brass and copper scrap, Mr Webber assumed that it was made from those metals until he had the unusual piece valued this year.

The cup, which is 5.5in (14 cm) high, is embossed with two female faces, each wearing a crown formed from snakes. It baffled experts from the British Museum until metallurgical tests identified its likely origins as the Middle East or North Africa between three and four centuries before Christ.

Mr Webber, 70, has no idea how his grandfather came to acquire the cup or what it was doing in Taunton, Somerset, where he had his business before and during the Second World War. “My grandfather was originally a proper rag-and-bone man from Romany stock and lived in a caravan. He formed a scrap metal company in the 1930s and made enough to have his own house built.

“My father died in the war and afterwards my grandfather gave me some things shortly before he died. One of the things was the cup, which I remember playing with. I put it in a box and forgot about it. Then last year I moved house and took it out to have a look and I realised it wasn’t bronze or brass.”

Double-headed bowls and tableware depicting the two faces of Janus, the god of gates, doors, doorways, beginnings, and endings, were common in Roman times. But in Roman mythology, Janus was usually depicted as a hirsute male, not a beautiful female.

Experts from the British Museum advised Mr Webber to have the gold tested to establish its precise make-up. He said: “I paid quite a bit of money for it to be examined by a lab the museum recommended. They found that the gold dated from the 3rd or 4th century BC.

“I really don’t know where it came from, but I remember it from when I was a small boy. It’s been quite exciting finding out what it was.”

An analysis of trace elements in a gold sample taken from the cup was carried out by Harwell Scientifics, of Didcot, Oxfordshire, and the University of Oxford. The Oxford Materials Characterisation Services, part of the university, concluded that the method of manufacture and the composition of the gold were found to be “consistent with Achaemenid gold and gold smithing”. The Achaemenid empire, the first of the Persian empires to rule over significant portions of Greater Iran, was wiped out by Alexander the Great in 330BC.

Stating that the cup was probably made in the latter years during the empire, the Oxford study states: “It would be reasonable to argue here that the presence of cadmium could be connected with the addition of silver and copper to the alloy and not the gold — if this is the case it would argue that the gold in the cup is refined and this might place it later rather than earlier in the Achaemenid period.”

Peter Northover, the scientist who reported on the gold analysis, said in his report: “Although Janus was not part of Achaemenid mythology, cups and beakers made with high-relief heads do appear in Achaemenid art. The analysis of the gold might place it later rather than earlier in the period.”

Jeannine Davis-Kimball, an American expert on the ancient peoples of Central Asia, said: “The cup is stunning, just stunning. The heraldic snakes relate to the iconography found in eastern Iran, especially during the early Elamite period.”

Guy Schwinge, of Duke’s auctioneers in Dorchester, Dorset, which is selling the cup, said: “The scientific analysis of the cup speaks for itself. Bearing in mind the differing views of the experts it will be fascinating to see what happens on day of auction.”

Two other items passed down from Mr Webber’s grandfather are also for sale at the auction on June 5. They are a Roman gold spoon valued at £10,000 and a “Hellenistic” gold mount with a figure thought to be Ajax, probably from the second century BC and valued at up to £2,000.


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21 posted on 05/28/2008 8:05:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: Freedom4US
Yes, of course ...


22 posted on 05/28/2008 12:30:05 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: Daffynition

I have the same type of pre-wash cycle! :)


23 posted on 05/28/2008 12:37:09 PM PDT by najida (The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Daffynition

I heard it was originally crafted by Barack Obama’s great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather’s brother (on his fathers side).


24 posted on 05/28/2008 12:40:49 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: rawhide

Good query. I would have no idea and it seems as if any gems in those sockets would fall out easily.

Any idea of the significance of the knots and Medusa-like snakes?


25 posted on 05/28/2008 12:47:47 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: BenLurkin
The medical symbol?


26 posted on 05/28/2008 12:51:37 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: TexasNative2000

Yeah, but the gold cup was invented by JohnKerry. Just lie until you win liberals.


27 posted on 05/28/2008 12:52:23 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: fanfan
The Caduceus? Actually, it does somewhat. However, the Caduceus is a staff.
28 posted on 05/28/2008 12:55:07 PM PDT by NathanR (Obama: More 'African' than 'American'.)
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To: BenLurkin

Here’s a hint...

Doooooooommmm

Doooooooommmm

Doooooooommmm

(Here in California, not a day goes by that we aren’t reminded of where you saw that motif!)


29 posted on 05/28/2008 12:55:41 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment: It's not about sporting goods.)
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To: count-your-change; DieHard the Hunter
Watched a show that offered the idea the *challis* or cup used at the Last Supper may have been alabaster. Many jars and cups were made of alabaster and it was mined in nearby Egypt around that time. I have my doubts it was made of gold.
30 posted on 05/28/2008 12:57:16 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Daffynition

I’d better check under my bed. I’m sure it hasn’t been swept out since the 5th Century BC either.


31 posted on 05/28/2008 12:57:37 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: TexasNative2000

Was that before or after he was victorious in the Punic Wars? ;D


32 posted on 05/28/2008 1:01:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: beer
Gunnar Gutfeld

33 posted on 05/28/2008 1:02:20 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: najida

LOL ... nothing goes to waste. ;-D


34 posted on 05/28/2008 1:02:58 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: NathanR
The Caduceus? Actually, it does somewhat. However, the Caduceus is a staff.

Was it ever just snakes?

And why snakes? What's with that?

35 posted on 05/28/2008 1:07:59 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: wolfcreek

The term ‘alabaster’ may have been applied to travertine marble from Egypt or even softer gypsum but in the case of expensive items like perfume the better alabaster from stalagmites was probably used.
In any event there is no way of knowing what material the cup at the Last Supper was made from but being that it used what was present at the passover meal using a costly item like an alabaster vessel seems unlikely.
Gold? Even less likely for the unpretentious disciples.
Yes, I too have seen the mindless nonsense about a Holy Grail and such.


36 posted on 05/28/2008 1:18:07 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NathanR
One of the earliest [western] Caduceus that I have encountered is found at the Asklepion, Bergama (Pergamum) ... the snakes, the symbol for Aesklepios, ornament the marble altar. In the ancient world, snakes symbolized healing and life-renewal. The caduceus was adopted as a symbol of the medical profession because of its similarity with the serpent entwined staff of Aesklepios.


37 posted on 05/28/2008 1:20:52 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: Daffynition

looks like hillary...especially with the snakes


38 posted on 05/28/2008 1:21:51 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (LIBERAL MEDIA PICKS GOP CANDIDATE.... STORY AT 11 !)
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To: Daffynition
The caduceus was adopted as a symbol of the medical profession because of its similarity with the serpent entwined staff of Aesklepios.

That symbol is also based on God's command to Moses to wrap a snake on his staff and hold it aloft to heal his people.

39 posted on 05/28/2008 1:23:41 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: TexasNative2000
I'm confused ... but you could be correct. ;)
40 posted on 05/28/2008 1:28:38 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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