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Gold cup from 2,500 years ago found under bed
The Times Online ^ | May 28, 2008 | Simon de Bruxelles

Posted on 05/28/2008 3:13:20 AM PDT by Daffynition

A 2,500-year-old gold cup that has spent the past 60 years in a box under its owner’s bed is expected to fetch up to £100,000 after being rediscovered during a house move.

The cup was given to John Webber by his grandfather, a rag-and-bone man, who acquired it in the 1930s.

Because his grandfather, William Sparks, dealt in brass and copper scrap, Mr Webber assumed that it was made from those metals until he had the unusual piece valued this year.

The cup, which is 5.5in (14 cm) high, is embossed with two female faces, each wearing a crown formed from snakes. It baffled experts from the British Museum until metallurgical tests identified its likely origins as the Middle East or North Africa between three and four centuries before Christ.

Mr Webber, 70, has no idea how his grandfather came to acquire the cup or what it was doing in Taunton, Somerset, where he had his business before and during the Second World War. “My grandfather was originally a proper rag-and-bone man from Romany stock and lived in a caravan. He formed a scrap metal company in the 1930s and made enough to have his own house built.

“My father died in the war and afterwards my grandfather gave me some things shortly before he died. One of the things was the cup, which I remember playing with. I put it in a box and forgot about it. Then last year I moved house and took it out to have a look and I realised it wasn’t bronze or brass.”

Double-headed bowls and tableware depicting the two faces of Janus, the god of gates, doors, doorways, beginnings, and endings, were common in Roman times. But in Roman mythology, Janus was usually depicted as a hirsute male, not a beautiful female.

Experts from the British Museum advised Mr Webber to have the gold tested to establish its precise make-up. He said: “I paid quite a bit of money for it to be examined by a lab the museum recommended. They found that the gold dated from the 3rd or 4th century BC.

“I really don’t know where it came from, but I remember it from when I was a small boy. It’s been quite exciting finding out what it was.”

An analysis of trace elements in a gold sample taken from the cup was carried out by Harwell Scientifics, of Didcot, Oxfordshire, and the University of Oxford. The Oxford Materials Characterisation Services, part of the university, concluded that the method of manufacture and the composition of the gold were found to be “consistent with Achaemenid gold and gold smithing”. The Achaemenid empire, the first of the Persian empires to rule over significant portions of Greater Iran, was wiped out by Alexander the Great in 330BC.

Stating that the cup was probably made in the latter years during the empire, the Oxford study states: “It would be reasonable to argue here that the presence of cadmium could be connected with the addition of silver and copper to the alloy and not the gold — if this is the case it would argue that the gold in the cup is refined and this might place it later rather than earlier in the Achaemenid period.”

Peter Northover, the scientist who reported on the gold analysis, said in his report: “Although Janus was not part of Achaemenid mythology, cups and beakers made with high-relief heads do appear in Achaemenid art. The analysis of the gold might place it later rather than earlier in the period.”

Jeannine Davis-Kimball, an American expert on the ancient peoples of Central Asia, said: “The cup is stunning, just stunning. The heraldic snakes relate to the iconography found in eastern Iran, especially during the early Elamite period.”

Guy Schwinge, of Duke’s auctioneers in Dorchester, Dorset, which is selling the cup, said: “The scientific analysis of the cup speaks for itself. Bearing in mind the differing views of the experts it will be fascinating to see what happens on day of auction.”

Two other items passed down from Mr Webber’s grandfather are also for sale at the auction on June 5. They are a Roman gold spoon valued at £10,000 and a “Hellenistic” gold mount with a figure thought to be Ajax, probably from the second century BC and valued at up to £2,000.


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The 22-carat gold cup has been described by experts as stunning

1 posted on 05/28/2008 3:13:20 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

WOW!

Could it be the Holy Grail?


2 posted on 05/28/2008 3:26:36 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


3 posted on 05/28/2008 3:38:53 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Highly, highly doubt that.


4 posted on 05/28/2008 3:39:00 AM PDT by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is STILL a catastrophe. Hello, McCandidate!)
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To: Daffynition


5 posted on 05/28/2008 3:51:16 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Terpfen
“My grandfather was originally a proper rag-and-bone man from Romany stock and lived in a caravan

I'd guess he acquired it the way most Romany acquires things.

 

 

How about a little Cher this morning

Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down 

 



6 posted on 05/28/2008 3:57:48 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: Daffynition

The Central Asian Silk Road empires were famous for mixing motifs in their art.


7 posted on 05/28/2008 4:01:40 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Daffynition; SunkenCiv
Rag And Bone Cup Dates To 300BC
8 posted on 05/28/2008 4:13:31 AM PDT by blam
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To: Terpfen

> Highly, highly doubt that.

(grin) I’d like to believe it to be true, all the same. Just like I believe that the words of “Jerusalem” is true:

“And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green
And was the holy lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen

And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic mills

Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spears
O clouds unfold
Bring me my chariot of fire

I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
‘Til we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land”

Call me a romantic: for I also await the return of Merlin, and King Arthur, and Excalibur. And I believe the Templars established in Scotland, with the Sinclairs.

It may not be true: but I hope it is! For Our Lord was surely at Glastonbury.

*DieHard*


9 posted on 05/28/2008 4:19:37 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The only thing under my bed...


10 posted on 05/28/2008 4:35:33 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: rawhide

Thanks for the addition pix ... quite stunning! ;D


11 posted on 05/28/2008 4:36:21 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
“Could it be the Holy Grail?”

I believe the Bible describes that cup as being made from alabaster. http://www.wcg.org/lit/gospel/alabaster.htm

12 posted on 05/28/2008 4:45:29 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: blam

Sorry ‘bout the dupe post... not exactly the same title .... but the cup reminds me of the The Vaphio Cups (15th century BC) and the Death Mask of Agamemnon at the Archaeological Museum in Athens. ;-D


13 posted on 05/28/2008 4:49:26 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: Daffynition

Is it dishwasher safe?


14 posted on 05/28/2008 6:59:54 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: rawhide; blam

That twin snake motif looks very famialir. I can;t quite place it though.


15 posted on 05/28/2008 7:03:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: wolfcreek

Wrong cup. The cup at the Last Supper isn’t described.
The alabaster container of perfume was the one a woman used to anoint Jesus. (Matt. 26:7)


16 posted on 05/28/2008 7:09:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: BenLurkin; Daffynition; blam
I wonder if the eyes might have held jewels at one time?


17 posted on 05/28/2008 7:09:08 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You chose poorly. ;-)

18 posted on 05/28/2008 7:13:31 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: BenLurkin

The dude that slaughtered Conan’s first ville was carrying a staff like that IIRC


19 posted on 05/28/2008 7:15:46 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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Rag And Bone Cup Dates To 300BC
The Telegraph (UK) | 5-27-2008
Posted on 05/27/2008 3:21:27 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022116/posts


20 posted on 05/28/2008 8:02:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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