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Time Travel Impossible,Say Scientists(So Forget The Stakeouts in Early 1960's Kenya)
Discovery News ^ | July 24, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 01/29/2014 11:10:03 AM PST by lbryce


By proving a single photon can't travel faster than light, scientists say they have proven time travel is impossible.

THE GIST
Hong Kong physicists say they have proven a single photon cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

This demonstrates that time travel is impossible, they say.

Hong Kong physicists say they have proved that a single photon obeys Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light — demonstrating that outside science fiction, time travel is impossible.

The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology research team led by Du Shengwang said they had proved that a single photon, or unit of light, "obeys the traffic law of the universe."

"Einstein claimed that the speed of light was the traffic law of the universe or in simple language, nothing can travel faster than light," the university said on its website.

"Professor Du's study demonstrates that a single photon, the fundamental quanta of light, also obeys the traffic law of the universe just like classical EM (electromagnetic) waves."

The possibility of time travel was raised 10 years ago when scientists discovered superluminal — or faster-than-light — propagation of optical pulses in some specific medium, the team said.

It was later found to be a visual effect, but researchers thought it might still be possible for a single photon to exceed light speed.

Du, however, believed Einstein was right and determined to end the debate by measuring the ultimate speed of a single photon, which had not been done before.

"The study, which showed that single photons also obey the speed limit c, confirms Einstein's causality; that is, an effect cannot occur before its cause," the university said.

"By showing that single photons cannot travel faster than the speed of light, our results bring a closure to the debate on the true speed of information carried by a single photon," said Du, assistant professor of physics.

"Our findings will also likely have potential applications by giving scientists a better picture on the transmission of quantum information."

The team's study was published in the U.S. peer-reviewed scientific journal Physical Review Letters.


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: falsesyllogism; grandfatherparadox; strawman; stringtheory; timetravel
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To: lbryce

Well you can’t go back. Only forward. Problem is nothing exists 5 years from now. Just saying.


61 posted on 01/29/2014 12:33:18 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Nonsense, I myself am a time traveler. I go only into the future though, one day at a time.”

I too am a time traveler who goes only into the future, but in increments smaller than a day.

Or is that true for either of us? Is time a continuous stream that extends into a future or past we can’t reach?

Perhaps there is no future time to be reached and what we call the future does not exist until we live it.

And if that’s true, how do we know time exists in the past, except in our memories and stories?

Perhaps there is only some sort of eternal “now”, with future time yet to come into existence and past time no longer in existence.


62 posted on 01/29/2014 12:33:25 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Fantasywriter
You left out Star Trek: TOS, Next Gen, and DS9, as well as several of the movies.

Statrgate SG! and Atlantis did so as well.

Next they will try and say that Dr. who is make believe as well

These clown need to spend less time in the lab and more in front of the Television.

63 posted on 01/29/2014 12:33:37 PM PST by verga (Poor spiritual health often leads to poor physical and mental health)
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To: MrB

Yes, he was shot because he stepped off the walkway and stepped on a butterfly, thus altering the flow of time and forever altering everyone’s future.


64 posted on 01/29/2014 12:35:17 PM PST by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: MrB
They made a movie of “a sound of thunder”?

Here ya go:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318081/

65 posted on 01/29/2014 12:37:38 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Tucker39

CORRECTION: The word “she” which appears in the sentence containing Christ’s blood, should NOT be there. It somehow was put there by this Puerto Rican phone, which, praise and glory to Jesus, I will be trading for an iPhone 5s on Feb. 10th!


66 posted on 01/29/2014 12:38:35 PM PST by Tucker39 ("Having their conscience seared with a hot iron.")
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To: I want the USA back

“A tachyon with an electric charge would lose energy as Cherenkov radiation[13]—just as ordinary charged particles do when they exceed the local speed of light in a medium. A charged tachyon traveling in a vacuum therefore undergoes a constant proper time acceleration and, by necessity, its worldline forms a hyperbola in space-time. However reducing a tachyon’s energy increases its speed, so that the single hyperbola formed is of two oppositely charged tachyons with opposite momenta (same magnitude, opposite sign) which annihilate each other when they simultaneously reach infinite speed at the same place in space. (At infinite speed the two tachyons have no energy each and finite momentum of opposite direction, so no conservation laws are violated in their mutual annihilation. The time of annihilation is frame dependent.)”

And, at infinite speed, some tachyons are basically everywhere, all the time.


67 posted on 01/29/2014 12:40:21 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: KrisKrinkle

While we’re talking paradoxes...how about Zeno’s paradox? If numbers are infinite, then movement of any kind through any dimension is impossible. Why? Simply because any movement from point A to point B requires me to move through an infinite number of fractional increments. But if the denominator of a fraction is infinite in size, how can anything move?


68 posted on 01/29/2014 12:41:52 PM PST by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Slicksadick

“What about spooky action at a distance? “

Good point!


69 posted on 01/29/2014 12:43:48 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Fantasywriter

Joe... I get it now... he’s an “average Joe”.

Absolutely average, in all things.


70 posted on 01/29/2014 12:44:13 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
And, at infinite speed, some tachyons are basically everywhere, all the time.

If that's true, there would be no need for more than one. No wonder we can't find them. There's only one in the entire universe.
71 posted on 01/29/2014 12:45:56 PM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: lbryce; a fool in paradise
Hong Kong physicists say they have proven a single photon cannot travel faster than the speed of light.

Well, if you want to go backwards in time, wouldn't you need the photons travel slower than the speed of light? Now, admittedly, getting back would be a problem in light of this discovery.

72 posted on 01/29/2014 12:47:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: lbryce

You cannot travel back in time in the same universe......


73 posted on 01/29/2014 12:47:28 PM PST by GraceG
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To: ZX12R

“Or how about a Tachyon?

Can’t find em. “

Well,,,, we haven’t found them,,,, yet.


74 posted on 01/29/2014 12:48:57 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Revolting cat!

What is the speed of time?


75 posted on 01/29/2014 12:55:11 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: lbryce

Get two flashlights and tape them bottom to bottom. Turn both on. Beams of light are now traveling at twice the speed of light away from each other.


76 posted on 01/29/2014 12:55:51 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Billthedrill
Way back in 2073, we were already talking about how Time Travel was impossible.

You know what they say: "Those that do not learn the future, are doomed to repeat it."

77 posted on 01/29/2014 1:00:31 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: I want the USA back

All laws of physics are set by God. All past, present and future are all the same in him. You think he wants time messed with by our chaotic race?


78 posted on 01/29/2014 1:00:59 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: Oberon
I'd be more impressed with this conclusion if the scientists in question could tell me with some degree of certainty just what a photon is.

As the article says, it's an electromagnetic wave. Such waves depend on two other constants, permittivity, and permeability.

From Wiki:

This is the speed of light in vacuum. Maxwell's equations have unified the vacuum permittivity \epsilon_0, the vacuum permeability \mu_0, and the speed of light itself, c0.

79 posted on 01/29/2014 1:02:11 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Drawsing

“Simply because any movement from point A to point B requires me to move through an infinite number of fractional increments. But if the denominator of a fraction is infinite in size, how can anything move?”

Just off the top of my head, would that not depend on where
points A and B are and whether or not we move by fractional increments?

If Point A is 1 and Point B is 2 and I move in fractional increments of 1/3 it takes me three moves to get from A to B.

If the beautiful woman I want moves in fractional increments of 1/2, she moves from Point A to Point B in two moves, and disappears from my existence for a while since she’s moving at a different fractional increment. (By the way, that would explain some things in my life.)

Where did we go relative to each other during the move? Different dimensions? Different timelines with intersection points?


80 posted on 01/29/2014 1:02:41 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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