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STICK TO YOUR GUNS
28 Dec 12 | Justin Giles

Posted on 12/28/2012 11:53:32 AM PST by SENTINEL

Stick To Your Guns
Justin Giles, Sergeant US Marine Corps (former)

Imagine you are walking through the woods on a dark cloudy night. You are startled by a vicious, snarling beast concealed in the blackness. Not knowing what else to do you scramble up a tree, afraid and unsure what to do next.

This is a natural human response to an encounter with an unknown foe. Because of this weak human tendency, military commanders throughout history have studied their potential enemies in minute detail. One man who understood this well was 6th Century B.C. Chinese General Sun Tzu.

“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Following the horrible crime in Connecticut, there is a lot of talk by oath breakers about curtailing freedom. Marxists calling themselves Democrats and liberals calling themselves Republicans have made it clear, “They” intend to disarm “Us”.

From the left side I hear cries for confiscation, and from the right I hear “Molon Labe”. To suggest that this could not lead to civil war is to ignore history. War is an ugly thing, so in the interest of peace I wish to help “Them” understand “Us” and vice-versa.

Cold Hard Numbers: “Us”

Estimates from various sources, from liberal to conservative , have the number of privately owned firearms in the United States in the vicinity of 300 million. Countless polls estimate these weapons are owned by around 47% of US households, or about 54 million. (47% of 114,761,359 households per US Census http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)

The 2011 US Census shows a population of 311.6 million.
(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)

The 1775 population of the 13 colonies including slaves and Native Americans was around 2.4 million.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_colonies)

At the height of the revolutionary war in 1779, there were 35,000 Continental Soldiers and Marines, 44,500 militia and 5000 Continental Sailors fighting for freedom, for a total of 84,000 colonist men. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_war) This gave us an active combatant ratio of 3.5% of the population. This ratio was smaller during the earlier stages of the war, and once this and the 12,000 late arriving French troops are taken into account, the overall generally accepted 3% figure is derived.

3% of our population today equals 9.35 million, and this is only part of the story. I could make a very strong case that due to the fact that we today have a large standing army, and in colonial days they did not, the percentage of active combatants in any future resistance to disarmament would double or more. There are currently around 10 million oath-bound military veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50, many of them combat vets. (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) I will leave this case for another time, because 3% is enough. Here are some quick numbers for comparison from the Federation of American Scientists.

3% US population 9.35 million

Chinese Military (active) 2.25 million

Russian Military (active) .96 million

US Military (active) 1.46 million

So, we are 9.35 million, but who are we ?

-We are overwhelmingly Christian, and worship the God of David, Elijah and Samson.
(http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-americans-77-christian-06-muslim)

-We dominate the military and veteran ranks.

-We are competitive shooters, hunters, outdoorsmen, fishermen, ATV and dirt bike riders.

-We are fathers and husbands, sons and grandsons of the generations who won the world wars.

-We are law abiding citizens who have been sold into slavery with a national debt so big it would take a tax increase, per household, the size and duration of a mortgage to pay off.

-We work in law enforcement, City, State and Federal. “We” are deeply among “Them”.

-We are 9.35 million men with battle rifles, not armed because we are free, but free because we are armed.

Cold Hard Numbers: “Them”

During the disarmament trial runs at Waco and Ruby Ridge, it was the ATF and FBI that bravely lead the charge against vicious women and children. Any future enforcement of new federal disarmament laws would be carried out by oath breaking members of these two agencies. Let’s break it down.

BATF (2006) 4,559 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATF)

FBI 36,074 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fbi)

This gives us a total of 40633. There could be hidden within other agencies additional groups of oath breakers who may be used for disarmament. Because I am working toward a ratio, and I used what I believe to be a 50% low estimate on the “Us” column, I will not add an estimate for additional feds on the “Them” side. Don’t forget that “We” are deeply among “Them”, and “They” live among “Us”.

9,350,000 / 40633 = 230.1

“We” have “Them” outnumbered by >230:1.

Now that both parties have a proper perspective on things let us continue the conversation with the levels of respect and confidence due.

What about the military ?

There are differing opinions about this, most having a valid basis. I will lump local and state law enforcement into this portion of the discussion. I believe that at a local level, you could see almost anything happen militarily in the hypothetical case of resistance to disarmament. On a strategic nationwide level, unlawful orders to disarm the American populace would cause a stalemate within the military. Such unlawful orders would be carried out by some and opposed with force by others at levels from individual to division. Debilitating acts of sabotage both of covert and overt nature, at all branches and levels within the service, would skyrocket.

The US military, by and large, is comprised of citizens of the states and areas most likely to resist disarmament by force. This is the point in the discussion to consider the nation’s considerable veteran population. There are around 10 million veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50. We are most concentrated in the areas most likely to resist disarmament. We are the fathers and brothers of many active duty military members. We are armed. We are trained and experienced tankers, pilots, medics, infantrymen and Special Forces Operators. For every Ranger or Marine on active duty, there are as many as 7 armed veterans of fighting age with the exact same skill and training on the civilian side.

Splits within the military in the US happened during the Civil War, and even during the Roosevelt administration. General George McArthur took bribe money and signed on with a group of globalists to overthrow the US Government by force. US Marine Smedley Butler, when approached by the same group, went undercover and gathered information which he took straight to congress. Butler single handedly saved the nation in the most covered up piece of US History of all time. Read “The Plot To Seize the White House” by Jules Archer or “Devil Dog” by David Talbot for more information on this.

When an oath breaking Marxist who throws like a girl gives an order to an oath keeping Marine from Houston to shoot an oath keeping Former Marine from Houston because he won’t disarm, what do you think will happen ? Every active duty officer, sworn to uphold and defend the US Constitution from domestic enemies should think on that long and hard. Although localized actions of all types are likely, I predict strategic level stalemate.

Visualization of 230:1

Now back to that walk in the woods and the snarling beast in the dark. Hopefully the truth has thrown enough illumination your way to see that you’ve been treed by a Chihuahua. Imagine a 230 pound man versus a 1 pound purse dog.

Picture a large football stadium, completely sold out. The crowd versus those on the field and sidelines is about a 230:1 ratio.

Imagine a head on collision between a sport bike and a fully loaded 18 wheeler. That is a 230:1 weight ratio.

Take an ice cube from your freezer and hit it with an Oxy-Acetylene torch. That is a 230:1 temperature ratio.

Take heart, free Americans, our Founding Fathers have got your back.

Is this really worth fighting over ?

According to Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Hawaii R.J. Rummel, totalitarian governments, mainly Marxist, killed 262 million of their own citizens during the 20th century. That unimaginable number is easier to grasp if one visualizes 10 million Sandy Hook Massacres. These are flat out murders of noncombatants, an act Rummel has labeled “Democide”. I highly recommend his excellent book “Death By Government”, and a study of the information on his website from which I have borrowed the following charts.

This is the kind of thing our founders wanted us armed with battle rifles to prevent. Forget the talk of the types conspicuously absent at places like Lexington Green and Normandy Beach. Lawyers, commentary, debate, or politicians have never granted liberty, nor stopped Democide.

This unprecedented murder is not an unfortunate side effect of Marxism, but the intent. One murderer of 77 million innocent men, women and children understood the importance of arms.

-“Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

-“Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party.”

-“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery. It cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” Mao Zedong, The Little Red Book, 1964

It is not necessary to impute the actions of foreigners onto the Marxist movement in the US, they have been caught red handed ! Bill Ayers of 60’s Weather Underground fame, avowed Marxist and admitted murderer, held in his home a coffee “meet and greet” for Obama during his campaign for a vacant Illinois State Senate seat. Ayers and his cohorts set off dozens of bombs in the 60’s and 70’s, including one in the US Capitol building.

Here is an interview with an FBI agent who was undercover with Ayer’s “Weather Underground” during a discussion about slaughtering 25 million Americans and imprisoning many more in re-education camps.

2 Minute interview with FBI agent

Obama in his own book, “Dreams of My Father” admitted his leanings.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama’s appointments of Van Jones, John Holdren and dozens of others are right in line with his Marxist beliefs. Of course he will lie about it, of course he will mock, it is the “Alynsky” way, but numbers and history do not lie.

I do not waste my time on any other irrelevant “gun rights” arguments. 20th CENTURY DEMOCIDE IS ENOUGH !

Although the Democide numbers have been revised upward to 262 million since these final three charts from Rummel were published, they still give a good visualization to just how dangerous Marxist government is.

There is much talk and worry recently of a “Fiscal Cliff”. In my opinion we stepped off that, as a nation, long ago. All that is left is the sudden stop at the end of the long fall. What we should all be much more concerned with is the “Freedom Cliff”. We stand at the edge with a Chihuahua trying to scare us into jumping. The time is now to prevent Democide in America. One small step and it is all over.

History has warned us, in the same way God warned Samson, not to give up the secret to our power. We’ve listened to the Chihuahua again and again and every time she has worked for our destruction.

The God given right to own battle rifles, as enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, is enough to make the difference between a “Tianenmen Square” and a “Lexington Green”.

I have seen war. I pray for peace, but if forced I will chose the left column of this final chart over the right without hesitation. What Christian could not ? I understand Chihuahuas are allergic to combat boots.

230:1. Brothers, STICK TO YOUR GUNS !



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To: SENTINEL

The Second Amendment defines for the United States of America the exact nature of the relationship between the citizens and those they have have chosen to govern them.


81 posted on 01/02/2013 11:06:34 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Well at least you're honest with your screen name.

I reread and stand by what I said.

What are you an oathbreaking fed trying to further demoralize the troops ? Chris Matthews in disguise ?...

Perhaps if you ponder THAT you'll realize the damage your doing and shut your suck.

82 posted on 01/02/2013 11:16:47 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Dead Corpse
And "we" are amongst "them" at all those levels

Alternatively, "they" are amongst "us" ...

Either way, sorting friend from foe from indifferent is going to be interesting.

83 posted on 01/02/2013 11:19:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

What it’s not hard to sort is who is HELPING with the current psychological warfare attack we are under, and who is trying to COUNTER it.


84 posted on 01/02/2013 11:23:19 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: SENTINEL

Don’t bother butting heads with this statist moron.

BTW, for anyone interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Total-Resistance-H-Von-Dach/dp/0873640217/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357154096&sr=1-1&keywords=total+resistance+swiss+army+guide+to+guerrilla+warfare+and+underground+operations


85 posted on 01/02/2013 11:24:21 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SENTINEL
Yes, I am honest ... with my screen-name and otherwise.

I am also capable of reasoning ... and understand the logical fallacy known as the "excluded middle". Do you even know what that means?

I reread and stand by what I said.

I'm not surprised.

shut your suck.

Wow ... that's really impressive. I'm not kissing your ass, so I must be worthless and should siddown and shaddup.

Your reaction to my comments really betrays the weakness of your original post.

Once again, DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY.

86 posted on 01/02/2013 11:26:31 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
It'll be a clusterf*ck. Just like it was last time.

It's going to be no matter what happens. There is no way out of this but the hard way.

87 posted on 01/02/2013 11:30:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Don't over-estimate your enemy either.

It's a hell of a lot easier to fight against "just following orders" than it is to fight against "Live free or Die".

88 posted on 01/02/2013 11:34:37 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: greeneyes

Good, target rich environment.


89 posted on 01/02/2013 11:37:29 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: ArrogantBustard
"I am also capable of reasoning ... and understand the logical fallacy known as the "excluded middle". Do you even know what that means?

I reread and stand by what I said.

I'm not surprised.

shut your suck.

Yes I do. You are assuming that because I went straight from your questioning of my numbers to accusing you of "crouching" I do not understand logic.

What you fail to understand is that not only do I understand logic, I understand men's hearts. When afraid, when uncertain, when under psychological attack like now, they look for leaders. They look for courage. They look for facts. I wrote this with all of this in mind, trying to set a strategic tone in an effort to secure peace. I put my real name on it. You, with your petty tactical thinking are aiding the propaganda machine you warned me about !

I hope you wipe the wine and cheese off your rules of logic book before heading out to battle with it....

90 posted on 01/02/2013 11:40:00 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: SENTINEL
I have met folks like you before ...

I did not trust them.

I do not trust you.

Your inability or unwillingness to rationally discuss dissenting viewpoints and your brittleness in the face of criticism are very disturbing.

Your position is very weak. Your estimates of forces on both sides are completely arbitrary and unsupported; it reminds me of Japanese planning for Midway. Your section "what about the military" appears to be based on 'feelings', and completely ignores currency of skills, availability of gear, or segregation of likely dissenters from sure loyalists.

You show absolutely no confidence in the worth of your analysis. If you had such confidence, you would be arguing your point, defending your analysis, further explaining your reasoning.

Instead, you are attacking me personally.

I'd suggest very strongly that if you want to contribute something worthwhile to the cause of freedom, you should check your attitude, learn how to discuss matters rationally, and quit alienating allies.

Your move, son.

91 posted on 01/02/2013 11:41:09 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Day-ummmm!!

nice one!

People like that make me nuts too- but man, you said it! I WILKL be using that in the future


92 posted on 01/02/2013 11:44:28 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, dammed lies, statistics, and democrap talking points.)
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To: SENTINEL
BWAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha!!!!!

You are assuming

No, I am not.

What you fail to understand

I understand far more than you realize

not only do I understand logic, I understand men's hearts.

That's a huge steaming pile of self-serving drivel.

93 posted on 01/02/2013 11:45:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

PM on it’s way.


94 posted on 01/02/2013 11:51:01 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Disambiguator

Great work! Post of the year!


95 posted on 01/02/2013 12:04:21 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt, Palin, West, Ryan, Gohmert, Gowdy, Poe, Issa, or McCaul for next House Speaker.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Your position is very weak. Your estimates of forces on both sides are completely arbitrary and unsupported; it reminds me of Japanese planning for Midway. Your section "what about the military" appears to be based on 'feelings', and completely ignores currency of skills, availability of gear, or segregation of likely dissenters from sure loyalists."

Nothing was arbitrary or based on feelings, it was all referenced to historical events as well as numbers.

Perhaps what I need to be asking you is how many times throught history, the "rules of logic" have won battles for freedom ? Stopped Democide ? How many lawyers overtook machine gun nests at Normandy Beach with superior debating skills ?

Let us also not forget, that our God is still God. The God who had his pick of all the Lawyers in the land, yet chose little David to slay Goliath.

96 posted on 01/02/2013 12:09:39 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: dagogo redux; All
Excellent book, I have read it several times.

Those who do not read are no better off than those who cannot read. (as long as you can run, shoot too...for any arrogant lawyers who may be lurking)

97 posted on 01/02/2013 12:20:19 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: SENTINEL
Your PM is received. Since it is not, strictly speaking, offensive, I will not re-print it in its entirety.

I will address your points openly, however.

1) I don't really care who or what you think you're 'encouraging' by making wild-eyed unsupported estimates of "us" and "them". Lots of folks did that before CW-I ... you're making the same mistake they did. I recommend against it.

2) I didn't "ask" you about equipment, I stated flat out that you were ignoring the topic.

3a) I don't claim to be a smart guy. I may or may not be one, but I make no claims.

3b) I am not a lawyer.

3c) I'm not sure what sort of 'drift' you think you get. Really. Don't over-think this, I'm NOT playing games.

3d) I am not a fed.

3e) I am not trying to trick you or anyone else. Again, I'm not playing games. I just don't do that.

3f) I do not wish to see you or any other patriot get arrested.

I do wish to see patriots use their brains. That includes being willing to discuss matters rationally, and to address criticism without personal attacks.

You claim to be a Marine. Fine; I'll assume that's true for the moment. You are forgetting that your audience (which includes me) is not composed of PFCs under your command.

"Shut your suck" may work in the squad bay; it most assuredly DOES NOT work out here in the real world.

All further correspondence will be carried out on thread; any further PM from you on this topic WILL be copied, in its entirety, on thread.

98 posted on 01/02/2013 12:22:18 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dead Corpse
It'll be a clusterf*ck. Just like it was last time.

Right ... and just as destructive. Maybe more destructive; there's more to destroy.

Don't over-estimate your enemy either.

Good advice. Also, don't under-estimate yourself.

I'm not claiming that there are more armed tyrants than there are armed patriots, BTW. My first claim is that the ratio does not favor the patriots as much as the article asserts. My second claim is that the tyrants enjoy an advantage of organization, logistics, and propaganda apparatus that the author seems to ignore. My third claim is that deluding ourselves does nobody any good.

99 posted on 01/02/2013 12:31:54 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SENTINEL
Let us also not forget, that our God is still God.

The Confederate States of America were absolutely certain of that.

100 posted on 01/02/2013 12:34:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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