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What History Says About Whether The United States Will Fall Like the Roman Empire
The Federalist ^ | 07/02/2022 | Kenneth Calvert

Posted on 07/02/2022 2:41:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Yes, the history of Rome often sounds like our own. But then, it sounds like most every other civilization that has existed in any part of the world at any time in history.

The bad news for Americans wondering if we are “like ancient Rome” is that all civilizations come to an end. This often happens on the heels of great success.

Nowhere was this truer than with the Roman Republic. The Roman general Scipio Aemilianus burst into tears as he and his troops finally and thoroughly destroyed the city of Carthage. We are told,

After being wrapped in thought for long, and realizing that all cities, nations, and authorities must, like men, meet their doom; that this happened to Troy, once a prosperous city, to the empires of Assyria, Media, and Persia, the greatest of their time, and to Macedonia . . . without any attempt at concealment Scipio named his own country . . . when he reflected on the fate of all things human.

Remarkably, Scipio seemed to be something of a prophet in 146 B.C., as the Roman Republic soon began to unravel. Rome had been rooted in local rule, agrarian pursuits, selfless citizenship, and republican virtues. Now they fought over land, wealth, luxuries, slaves, and the power that came with empire.

Over the following century, political assassinations, mob rule, and the rise of tyranny became the norm. At the end of it, the fate of the republic was left to emperors who, for all intents and purposes, were kings posing as traditional Romans.

At the end of the first century A.D., the historian Tacitus considered the death of the first emperor, Augustus. He wrote,

. . . the Republic had been revolutionized, and there was not a vestige left of the old sound morality. Stripped of equality, all looked up to the commands of a sovereign . . . as the end was near and new prospects opened, a few spoke in vain of the blessings of freedom, but most people dreaded and some longed for war. The popular gossip of the large majority fastened itself variously on their future masters.

The history that followed certainly had moments of genius. However, the ultimate sack of Rome in A.D. 410 arose from long centuries of internal struggles very much like those that destroyed the republic.

Added to greed, avarice, and incompetence was a mix of climate change, unstable borders, and an elite population soaked in corruption. All told, you have a basic understanding of what destroyed the Roman world.

Yes, the history of this civilization often sounds like our own. But then, it sounds like most every other civilization that has existed in any part of the world at any time in history. There is something consistent and familiar everywhere you travel in human history.

Believe it or not, this is where the good news is found. Yes, America is a republic, but it is not, by any means, Rome. This observation was made in correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in 1819. Jefferson wrote,

I ask myself What was that government which the virtues of Cicero were so zealous to restore, & the ambition of Caesar to subvert? . . . I do not say to restore it, because they never had it . . . if their people indeed had been, like ours, enlightened, peaceable, and really free, the answer would be obvious. ‘restore independance (sic) to all your foreign conquests, relieve Italy from the government of the rabble of Rome, consult it as a nation entitled to self-government, and do it’s will.

What is important here is that the American Founders were not naïve about the weaknesses of Rome. In particular, they despised the emperors and sought whatever good they could find in the old republic.

The American Founders admired the Roman virtues of citizenship and piety, and the Roman government balanced by the citizens, Senate, and magistrates. However, there was no idea of “rights” among the Roman citizens. Only power.

The Romans would never have created a “Declaration of Independence” in which these beautiful, high-minded words would be announced: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

This sort of thinking could only have emerged after the prohibition of the gladiatorial bloodlettings of the Roman world, or the imperialistic greed of the emperors. It could never have been written by a society that believed the enslavement of human beings to be the norm. While some signers of the Declaration, like all humans, struggled with hypocrisy, their ideals have made America great in a way that Rome could have never imagined.

America, like all republics, has freedoms that allow citizens the right to go insane. No free nation will be free of human nature. The current internal and external threats to America do not have to bring, out of necessity, its destruction.

The good news is that America has stronger foundations than Rome ever knew, and those foundations not only seem to be holding, many Americans are rediscovering those foundations in the midst of a modern contest for the soul of the nation.


Dr. Kenneth Calvert is a professor of ancient history at Hillsdale College. His lectures on Rome can be found in the Hillsdale online course: "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Republic," free at online.hillsdale.edu. The course was introduced on the Ides of March, 2022.


TOPICS: Education; History; Society
KEYWORDS: bloggerkaren; bloggertrash; climatechange; decline; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; hillsdalecollege; kennethcalvert; michigan; ntsa; romanempire; rome; usa
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s already crumbling. It won’t be long now. America is done.


61 posted on 07/02/2022 5:23:03 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (First, they stole our elections. Then, they stole our country.)
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To: M Kehoe

M Kehoe wrote:


Hi.

The U.S. doesn’t get a mention in the book of Revelations.

Just sayin

5.56mm

The Inca or Aztec empires aren’t in there either.


62 posted on 07/02/2022 5:52:46 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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To: LS

LS wrote:


Not a big believer that a nation that withstood a secession movement in the middle of a foreign war (War of 1812); that survived an actual war of secession; that survived a great depression made worse by the president is gonna fall from a bunch of tinpot lefties.

In fact, as I have written, we are on the precipice of magnificent success. (https://larrys.substack.com/publish/post/62208248) The court victories are just the beginning. Nov will see massive legislative victories, followed by a probably historical Trump wave in 24, followed slowly by a cultural turn as predicted by the generational historians Strauss and Howe.

PS. Rome wasn’t blessed by God and you’re about to see His blessings explode on that 60% of the country that is ditching abortions.


There will be a red wave.

Mark it down. 45 seat (floor) in House, to 60 seat (ceiling). Net gain of 1-3 Senate seats. This will be a wipeout all the way down to dogcatcher, and the Dems are already warning all their people it’s coming.

Many thanks LS !!


63 posted on 07/02/2022 5:56:30 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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To: WildHighlander57

I think that’s the point. Come end times we will all be long extinct.


64 posted on 07/02/2022 5:59:46 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Roman and American republics were/are built on geographic and economic expansion. The question for both is what happens when that expansion hits a wall?

After taking Gaul, Africa and beyond, the Roman republic ate its own, which Augustus saved from itself, while killing the republic. America is far more dynamic, but we’re amidst an internal gyration that could go either way. So far, the empire seems to be winning, but it doesn’t have to be that way.


65 posted on 07/02/2022 6:03:13 PM PDT by nicollo (arbitrary law is not rule of law)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"I absolutely promise I can fix it, but, it won’t be a republic anymore for a while, at least. A lot of folks would love the results."

Ditto.

66 posted on 07/02/2022 6:45:20 PM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: SisterK

That fits. It’s certainly evil. It’s not confined to geographical boundaries. And it’s the same trash that every degenerate society has wallowed in since civilization began.


67 posted on 07/02/2022 6:58:05 PM PDT by Savage Beast (You are not walking this path alone--all who walked before you are lifting you. --Michael Singer)
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To: FreedomPoster

Sorta, but I have some creative ideas to make it even better. I promise.


68 posted on 07/02/2022 7:14:00 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Wissa

Yes, two sham “impeachments” and the totally sham J6 “committee” — the DS will do anything to destroy Trump. They never missed a beat, did they?


69 posted on 07/02/2022 9:38:47 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: wintertime

Exactly right — and education correction is a multi-generational project. It takes two or three generations for the changes to flow through and have an effect. To effect educational change requires capturing the universities so we don’t turn out marxist teachers. Those are two huge challenges.

True election reform (so we have open, honest, and transparent elections) is blocked at every turn by Democrats. There are so many things that could restore election integrity, but they are all claimed to be “disenfranchisement” of minorities which is preposterous.


70 posted on 07/02/2022 10:18:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

We will be invaded...likely by China. Our government officials will give in without a fight.


71 posted on 07/02/2022 11:03:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: LS

Re: Red Wave

I sincerely pray for it.


72 posted on 07/03/2022 4:48:50 AM PDT by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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To: OneVike

Please add to the list the human bottleneck that occurred 50 to 75 thousand years ago. Humans almost didn’t make it through that. It is believed to have been caused by a volcanic explosion.


73 posted on 07/03/2022 4:58:27 AM PDT by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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To: SeekAndFind

“The good news is that America has stronger foundations than Rome ever knew, and those foundations not only seem to be holding, many Americans are rediscovering those foundations in the midst of a modern contest for the soul of the nation.”

The key words in this statement are “seem to be” holding. I’m sure the captain of the Titanic may have had the same thoughts before he tore into the iceberg that killed them.

Rome is a good analogy but clearly not the only one. There are many other civilizations that have come and gone in world history. In fact, they all go perhaps with the exception of China. One can certainly argue about China because they reinvented themselves so often over the last 3000 or so years that they look like a chameleon.

We have been blessed here in the US by so many good hands. Among them are...

-Founded as a Christian nation that was supported and touched by God from our founding (he may have given up, though)

-Brilliant founders who had the intellect and wisdom to understand history and the ability to design a unique system of government to protect us from ourselves (unlike many other civilizations)

-Blessed by geography (bordered by two huge oceans)that kept the bad guys out of our land. Unfortunately, it has not done so well with the bad guys in the land.

-A newly settled land by people who were motivated and willing to leave their home country and come here to make a better life. For a long while, they worked very hard at doing that.

Will we make it through this period? Right now it doesn’t look promising. We’ve lost many of the things that made us great and we have idiots for leaders. Our democracy and political system are broken — and broken badly.

Finally, I will repeat. All civilizations and empires die. Maybe they are born again and, then again, maybe not.


74 posted on 07/03/2022 8:02:04 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: SeekAndFind

And then came the democrat party greed, avarice, and incompetence media a fact of how to do everything wrong at once.


75 posted on 07/03/2022 9:08:06 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: M Kehoe

Neither does France or Australia for that matter or Brazil. A lot of nations don’t get mentioned. India doesn’t. Korea nor japan.


76 posted on 07/03/2022 9:19:15 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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This topic was posted 7/2/2022, thanks SeekAndFind.

77 posted on 08/13/2022 9:24:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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