What History Says About Whether The United States Will Fall Like the Roman Empire

The Federalist ^ | 07/02/2022 | Kenneth Calvert

[Billthedrill]

Rome was also beset by a population whose reproduction fell below replacement level and the influx of foreign populations given citizenship for little or no participation. Fortunately the United States isn't...oh, wait a minute...never mind.

I remain optimistic, however. The American model depends on a population that demands freedom and is willing to work for it. There have been several periods when that has lapsed into laziness and plenty and a desire for security over freedom but they have been brief - unfortunately, brief because they were interrupted by war and economic disaster. Two-edged sword there. Still, while some of those Roman invaders sacked the place there were some who composed some of Rome's most loyal and brilliant citizens, even during the decline, and became the authors of the new Christian civilization to follow.

[FreedomPoster]

The Pinochet / Franco approach?

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Added to greed, avarice, and incompetence was a mix of climate change, unstable borders, and an elite population soaked in corruption. All told, you have a basic understanding of what destroyed the Roman world.

There are about forty different reasons the Roman Empire collapsed, but I think the number one reason was the cultural differences between East and West. By 250 AD, the Christian East was simply no longer compatible with the pagan West.

Another important secondary reason was that the wealthy and productive Eastern provinces got weary of sending their wealth (annual tax payments) to a corrupt and decadent Rome.

[gloryblaze]

If we have an all-powerful central government then all of us fall. If we have power shared between it and the states, basically there are 51 entities and all of them aren’t going to fall.

That is why there is such a push to eliminate the electoral college, which, like it or not, is gaining traction.

[Persevero]

Well if we do go all the way down Rome’s road, best to have a plan of Reconstruction. I am ready!

[Persevero]

You have a core of true Patriots - mostly Christians but some others - who are not going this way and who will survive to thrive, as a group, IMO

[delta7]

No nation could survive what the United States is now undergoing 24/7 for very long.
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Departure from Gods word. History? Biblical history shows nations always sooner or later depart from God, for many reasons. However, in the west’s “ recent” history, those that adhered to God’s word flourished, those that depart suffer the consequences of “ Man’s” word….which is where we are at today….without a return to God, I fully expect a spiral down the toilet.

[Cincinnatus.45-70]

Amen.

[Theoria]

Migration/immigration destroys. There is nothing conservative about r's and d's. Rip USA.

[Yollopoliuhqui]

The Roman Empire didn’t have the Internet, the perfect vehicle for curiosity.

[x]

Americans had a lot of energy. They were able to direct their excess energy outward, first in territorial expansion, then in trade, then in military activity.

When the Cold War ended we were on top of the world. We didn't have anywhere else to go. Our efforts in the Middle East sputtered out.

So now we turn our energy inward on each other. Instead of building up the country, people are tearing it down because it gives them something to do and a feeling of being useful.

Maybe we will once again find a goal for all of our activity. Maybe it will be to keep up with China. Maybe China passes us and they become the active, world-changing, world dominating nation.

It's tough. When you're at the top, you don't have anywhere to go. Then one day you wake up and realize that you aren't on top anymore and haven't been for some time.

[SauronOfMordor]

Near the end, about a third of the population of Italy were slaves.

Rome grew when it had citizens who owned their own land and would fight ferociously to defend it.

Rome collapsed when the wealthy imported massive numbers of cheap slave labor, and the jobless citizenry no longer was willing to fight.

[central_va]

then in trade

Wait, what?

[x]

We were a big exporter starting in the 19th century until Europe and the Far East recovered in the 1970s.

[laplata]

Correct.

[laplata]

We have the blueprints for that. It is the constitution.

[LS]

Not a big believer that a nation that withstood a secession movement in the middle of a foreign war (War of 1812); that survived an actual war of secession; that survived a great depression made worse by the president is gonna fall from a bunch of tinpot lefties.

In fact, as I have written, we are on the precipice of magnificent success. (https://larrys.substack.com/publish/post/62208248) The court victories are just the beginning. Nov will see massive legislative victories, followed by a probably historical Trump wave in 24, followed slowly by a cultural turn as predicted by the generational historians Strauss and Howe.

PS. Rome wasn’t blessed by God and you’re about to see His blessings explode on that 60% of the country that is ditching abortions.

[Wissa]

Can patriotic Americans do something fast enough and substantive enough to stop the leftist project?

Not only did the swamp not get drained, it seems to be deeper than ever.

[SaveFerris]

(Hollywood movies, TV programs, and popular culture spew filth everywhere.)

Yes. Absolutely. Unfortunately.

While I don’t believe the USA is the Whore of Babylon (you didn’t say it was) our culture doesn’t appear to be much different.

[Savage Beast]

Yes. IMO you're right.

After all the wokies self-destruct, decent people will be thriving.