Posted on 04/30/2020 5:13:17 AM PDT by impimp
It’s just the flu, bro.
How can this level of tyranny be justified for what is really just the flu? Even though this overblown Wuhan flu crisis isn’t over, just think of the next virus pandemic when some children might actually die. The media will clamor for another lockdown - politicians will react accordingly because they don’t want the blood of the children on their hands. They now have the blueprint for obtaining more socialism in the future.
This social distancing is not natural. Anything that involves widespread, sustained and significant deviations from natural human behavior will lead to terrible consequences. And whoever suggests this deviation is likely a leftist tyrant.
Newsom is an idiot and closing California beaches because of Wuhan flu is idiotic. Is it truly healthier to be stuck in your home all day or to be out in the sun? At least some steps toward freedom are happening in some Red states - let’s keep the progress coming there.
Who expected to become a fan of Elon Musk and Sweden before this started? A Flubro commented recently that he will never make fun of Sweden again.
Yea. Its easier to simplify terms in order to keep posts from being six miles long by explaining what you mean every single time you make an argument.
This topic is broken down to Flubros and Fearbros.
And they are not friends on this battlefield.
Whosoever wins, will determine the future of this great nation.
That's apparent, and again, herein lies the problem.
This is nothing else BUT political. Compare this reaction to other flu outbreaks. When's the last time the government told you to say in your room and shut down businesses.
You can even be ignorant to the shadow derp v. patriot ongoing war and still understand the political aspects of all this.
Why can't you?
I don't think the flubros are being rational. I think they are advocating a position they wish to believe without being honest about evidence against it. I don't think they are looking at science, I think they are looking at politics and economics.
Sure, those are very important, but if they get the science wrong, they may do more damage than any political or economic benefit. They may end up penny wise and dollar foolish.
And yet you tow the derp state line on this manufactured crisis.
That it is a "manufactured" crises is an assertion, and in my opinion an unproven assertion at that. I have kept up with this thing since early February, and nothing I saw indicated to me that China was deliberately manufacturing a crises. It looked like they were flailing madly and desperately in an effort to save themselves in any manner they could. If it was an act, "Bravo!"
Since I don't believe China manufactured this crises, (although I can see an angle as to why they might have done so) why should I believe the US manufactured this crises? I don't believe Liberals are that smart. I don't think Trump is trying to manufacture a crises.
I think they saw what looked like a crises, and latched on to it for their own political and economic benefit. As some loathsome Democrat said, "Never let a crises go to waste." (Rahm Emmanuel I think.) I don't think they created it.
This rona is part of the corrupt influence cartel that you claim to recognize. You just don't recognize this as an aspect of it. You believe the hype, which tells me that you still haven't completely kicked your addiction to derp state influence.
I prefer to characterize this as "not seeing a boogie man behind every bush." I long ago lost my appetite for indulging improbable conspiracy theories.
Yea, I know. And therein lies the problem. I link the derp state to China and China to this virus and its intentional release at the perfect time, and in response to the ongoing shadow war that Trump and America are currently waging.
Now here you point out the undeniable fact that this thing has coincidentally been very good for a lot of our enemies. It gave China a good reason to lock down Hong Kong, where the protests were causing them no end of trouble, and it is definitely hurting Trump's economy during an election year. It is playing into the hands of petty dictator governors and federal bureaucrats, and doing long lasting damage to various essential components of our economy.
On the other hand, it is also reinforcing the point that Trump was right about immigration and borders. Trump was right about domestic production of essential goods. Trump was right about the Chinese being untrustworthy and a bellicose adversary.
But did China create this to deal with Hong Kong and Trump? From what i've read, this thing has done horrendous damage to their domestic industries. It's cost them many trillions in lost business and lost influence. It has arguably done them worse damage to themselves than it has to us. If you've been keeping up with China's economic activity, you might know that their economy has long been much more fragile than what most people know. They took it in the shorts on this one.
It's all very obvious and right there in front of our eyes, if you choose to see and connect the dots.
Clearly much of this works in the favor of Trump's enemies. But you can't just ignore the counter evidence. That's that "seeing what you wish to see" thing that I have learned is a bad way to proceed. Yes, I see the economic and political ramifications of this thing. I put them in one category, and I put the disease threat in another category, and I try not to let my infectious disease category influence my politics and economics category, and vice versa.
Any voice in favor of what the derps are telling us, is a voice against Trump and the people he represents. And America.
The dangerousness of this virus is not contingent upon what people think or what "team" they play for. It is an objective matter for which we should ascertain the truth.
The cat is either dead or alive. We need to open the box and find out which, and quit concerning ourselves with opinions on it's status.
In the manner a lion is just another cat.
Not as bad as 1918, thank God, but clearly worse than the last several flus we've seen.
And no, we wouldn't look like Mad Max if we had reacted to it as to any other flu.
Something else to which I object vociferously is certainty. I have long ago learned that anyone who is absolutely certain about something is probably being foolish. Wiser people tend to speak in probabilities and likelihoods, not absolutes.
I think enough evidence is in to show it wouldn't be like Mad Max, but I don't think enough evidence is in that it wouldn't be like Typhoid Mary. I think that evidence is coming in, but people shouldn't jump the gun.
Oh, and by the way, I am at a low risk for infection, and a low risk of death if I get infected. This isn't really about me, or any personal fear on my part.
Not evidence of "honesty", but certainly evidence of "wisdom." Generally I have found wiser men to be more honest, but it's not a certainty.
I don't think anybody's arguing that its not dangerous. There is disagreement as to the degrees of danger and our reaction to it as a people.
Agree.
Here's an old bromide of mine. Belief is not what's important, truth is.
Pretty close to what I said upthread.
Just wishing to believe something should not be the goal. Finding the truth should be. If wishes were fishes, we'd all...uh. have a lot of fishes (forgot how that one went). We all want the good guys to win at the end of the movie. that is a wish to believe. In life, they don't always win. That is reality.
Okay, so we agree finding the objective truth is the important part. So let's look for the evidence of what is actually true, and let us toss out what is clearly incorrect or misleading.
No, that one's been around for a while and its definitely tired and used up. You are way late to the game on this one, pops. Squares trying to sound hip is not cool.
And you used it inappropriately anyway. Its something the young say to us oldsters to dismiss our experience and wisdom.
Karen is relatively new. Learn that that one means and use it appropriately and you too can be cool.
I myself like to coin my own phrases and make them happen. Currently, I'm trying to make OK DOOMER happen to juxtapose against OK BOOMER and mock the fearbros. Won't you help me make it happen?
I cannot quantify that component. It's subjective. I have no clear path to deriving an objective value from it. It is a piece to a puzzle that will have to wait until more of the larger picture is filled out.
They have motive to lie about the data. We don't.
I don't agree. I see a motive, and that motive is to be on the opposite side of whatever is perceived to be the deep state's desired outcome. It is a motive I readily recognize. It is "contrarianism" in a different form. It is being on the opposite side of someone, merely because they are on a particular side.
Also, the word "lie" is expansive in meaning. You can define it wide, or you can define it narrow. I see much in the way of exaggerations, and some would call these lies, and others would not. Again, subjectivity cannot be quantified because it requires the subjective viewpoint in question.
I have deemed derp data to be false data based on my observations.
I deem it to be possibly false, or possibly true, but not to be accepted as true without other sources of evidence.
You parrot the derp false data and conclusions.
And what false data is that? The number of deaths? I have no doubt that number isn't precise, but I don't believe it to be off more than 10%. It is certainly more accurate than estimates of last year's flu deaths.
And conclusions? What conclusions have I put forth? You see, my official position is "I don't know." I would regard that as the antithesis of a "conclusion."
I am in fact annoyed with people who claim to know anything about this bug with certainty.
I want states to open up. I will be quite safe while other people test the waters, and I very much hope we don't get a massive resurgence of infections and deaths. We need this thing to go away.
But I would caution anyone I love to be cautious until we know more.
And for what it's worth, I was just informed yesterday that my sister may have been exposed to it. Her daughter certainly was, and there is the chance she may have passed it to my sister.
So now this thing becomes a little more than "academic" for me.
I think he's awesome! I absolutely love reading his columns. He simply bitch slaps everyone who needs it. Ann Coulter does it too on occasion. I have actually described him as a meaner version of her. :)
I think its the fearbros that are getting the science wrong. Evidence being how they are silencing opposing viewpoints to their narrative. The science is a lie, just like the inflated and false numbers are.
False data to influence the people by spreading panic and fear. A panicked and fearful people is an easily manipulated people. This thing goes far beyond science. The agenda must be looked at. Watch and listen to WHO is saying what.
Does it not concern you that the left wing derptards are the ones advocating the panicked reaction, lockdown, and suspension of the Constitution?
That says something.
nothing I saw indicated to me that China was deliberately manufacturing a crises.
First you have to understand the nature of the Deep (I call it Derp) State. Its not just Hillary and Obama and our domestic enemies. It's a world wide thing, and at the moment, includes China.
This is not purely a heathen Chinee op. It's a Derp State op, with heavy Chinese involvement. China released the bug and made sure it spread throughout the world. The American derps took it from there. And right now, you are helping them, whether you know or believe it or not.
I don't think Trump is trying to manufacture a crises.
Trump is not manufacturing anything. He is managing it. Countering it as best he can. Imagine if he had reacted as he originally done, calling it that hoax that he knows it to be. Every.Single.Death would have been laid upon his table. The headlines were already written. I'm sure you can imagine what they would have been.
That was the original derp plan. They thought he would call it the hoax that it is and they could write their scripts.
He flipped it on them, as he has done so often. He sacrificed a rook (the economy) to win the game.
He will come out of this unscathed, like usual. Another failed derp takedown attempt. What will they try next?
In the meantime, Durham is coming. And they fear. The rona is a panic move.
We are all friends. People on Free Republic are all friends. We may not agree on everything, but we share many common ideas about making our nation great and keeping our families safe and prosperous.
I argue with a lot of people, and about a lot of subjects, but I do not walk away with resentment towards any of them. This is the internet. If you get upset about people calling you names or smearing your character, you don't belong in discussion forums on the internet. :)
We Freepers are still Friends, at least so far as I'm concerned.
Me too. And the fearbros are certain that the derps are telling them the truth re: 'the science'.
They are not.
Oh, and by the way, I am at a low risk for infection, and a low risk of death if I get infected. This isn't really about me, or any personal fear on my part.
Let me counter that by saying, that I'm probably the number one demographic for high risk from the rona (for reasons I will not go into). If I were to get one molecule of ANY flu in me, I'd probly go down faster than Hillary on Huma. And yet I still speak out against the societally destructive reaction of our derps and derp enablers, aka Fearbros.
Ponder that for a moment.
I think some of that was done during the 1918 epidemic, but not quite so extensively as it has been done this year. I think it is because people believe these things needed to be done to prevent a repeat of the 1918 epidemic that government officials ordered it, and people complied with it.
I think Italy scared the h3ll out of a lot of people, and then New York made it look like death had arrived here.
We didn't have the knowledge we have now about people recovering, or the age and comorbidity vulnerabilities. We can now back away from some of the more onerous infection control mandates and see what happens.
You can even be ignorant to the shadow derp v. patriot ongoing war and still understand the political aspects of all this.
I understand the deep state is trying to use this, but I reject the notion that they are responsible for creating it. I'll have to have more evidence before I accept that idea.
And lets consider motive, agenda, politics, and WHO is telling us what.
Add that to your ponder box and we got a deal.
I don't make any effort to keep up with millenial pop culture. I actually have real things that need doing in my life. I'm sure you do too.
I myself like to coin my own phrases and make them happen. Currently, I'm trying to make OK DOOMER happen to juxtapose against OK BOOMER and mock the fearbros. Won't you help me make it happen?
Might be funny to millenials, but it needs work if you expect it to be considered witty by an older crowd. I have a friend that I see often who makes what I consider to be lame jokes many times a day.
I keep telling him he needs to work on his material, but he keeps trying to do "off the cuff" funny, and it just falls flat with me. Falls flat with other people too, but they are too polite and so pretend to laugh.
He's still a good man and a good friend, but I wish he would either stop, or do a better job of it.
Ponder that for a moment.
Well we are both clearly not motivated by self interest. :)
It must be altruism! Yes, that's what it is! :)
Ooops. I meant to say flubros there.
I don't agree. I see a motive, and that motive is to be on the opposite side of whatever is perceived to be the deep state's desired outcome.
You're being too dismissive. Allow us Flubros the respect of our intellect. Do you think we haven't thought this through? Do you think we are engaging in a petty rhetorical game to win an argument on the internet?
This is no game, sir. There are real life consequences. This is a power struggle between two opposing factions for the future of this country and the world. The outcome of which will determine how our grandchildren will live.
No, this is not a case of routine 'contrarianism'. This is, as Joe Biden might say, a huge Effing deal. More than lives are at stake. Flubros know this.
Also, the word "lie" is expansive in meaning. You can define it wide, or you can define it narrow. I see much in the way of exaggerations, and some would call these lies, and others would not. Again, subjectivity cannot be quantified because it requires the subjective viewpoint in question.
You dither and play semantical word games, as you seek to appear wise. Its time for you to make a decision and advocate for it. Things are happening that will affect you and yours into eternity.
I appreciate your pretty words, and agree that patriots are fundamentally brothers.
But on the battlefield of ideas, the Flubro and the Fearbro are mortal enemies. The opposing ideologies cannot coexist in peace. It is known.
Two ideas enter, one idea leaves.
I don't believe a d@mn word that comes out of WHO. I'm not sure I believe much of what comes out of the CDC. Yes, when you have people who clearly have an agenda and a motive to lie, you cannot accept anything they say at face value.
Now is that the case for US Covid deaths being reported? I have seen insufficient evidence to convince me that it is.
Add that to your ponder box and we got a deal.
I ponder any information that comes my way. I am not locked into a position. To quote one of the most infamous economists in history, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir? "
I am willing to consider any evidence that presents, so long as it is comprehensible.
The first thing I heard about the rona was that it was mostly old people with underlying conditions that were dying. Just like any other flu bug. My common sense kicked in at that point.
This is not new information.
I understand the deep state is trying to use this, but I reject the notion that they are responsible for creating it. I'll have to have more evidence before I accept that idea.
If you recognize and accept the fact the derps are 'using this' how can you reject the notion that they manufactured it. The two go hand in hand. Or do you think the derps just got lucky in time for an election?
Naivete is not attractive.
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