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To: DiogenesLamp
It occurs to me that truth lies on the side of the fearbro argument,

Ooops. I meant to say flubros there.

I don't agree. I see a motive, and that motive is to be on the opposite side of whatever is perceived to be the deep state's desired outcome.

You're being too dismissive. Allow us Flubros the respect of our intellect. Do you think we haven't thought this through? Do you think we are engaging in a petty rhetorical game to win an argument on the internet?

This is no game, sir. There are real life consequences. This is a power struggle between two opposing factions for the future of this country and the world. The outcome of which will determine how our grandchildren will live.

No, this is not a case of routine 'contrarianism'. This is, as Joe Biden might say, a huge Effing deal. More than lives are at stake. Flubros know this.

Also, the word "lie" is expansive in meaning. You can define it wide, or you can define it narrow. I see much in the way of exaggerations, and some would call these lies, and others would not. Again, subjectivity cannot be quantified because it requires the subjective viewpoint in question.

You dither and play semantical word games, as you seek to appear wise. Its time for you to make a decision and advocate for it. Things are happening that will affect you and yours into eternity.


217 posted on 04/30/2020 4:41:57 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster
You're being too dismissive. Allow us Flubros the respect of our intellect. Do you think we haven't thought this through?

Yes. I absolutely think that. I also don't think you (plural) have read as extensively on this topic as have I, or at least not the same material.

I have to be frank, much of the conduct I see on the part of many people arguing this topic leads me to believe that they have done nothing but jump to an uninformed conclusion based on the most flimsy of evidence, or indeed mere assertions.

Do you think we are engaging in a petty rhetorical game to win an argument on the internet?

Some are, probably not most. I think most are motivated by economic and political reasons, and go looking for cherry picked data to support their scientific claims. To be fair, this is the norm for most human discussions. Most of us generally seize on our position, and then look for evidence to support it, and reject any that doesn't. This behavior is just part of the human condition.

This is no game, sir. There are real life consequences. This is a power struggle between two opposing factions for the future of this country and the world. The outcome of which will determine how our grandchildren will live.

Or whether or not they will live. I am aware of the political power struggle, and I just don't believe the disease is fake and a cover story for the larger political struggle. I think it is a real disease that has been shown to be quite dangerous to some people, and politically motivated groups have tried to seize this naturally occurring disaster for whatever advantage they can find.

Evidence is emerging that it is less dangerous than it first appeared. Alternatively I have seen it asserted that the bug is evolving to be less lethal, as most viruses do over time. I read earlier to day that there are 287 identified strains of this bug, and with varying degrees of infectiousness and lethality.

I've seen it asserted that perhaps the West coast is suffering less damage as a consequence of a weaker version of this thing becoming dominant, which is again, something that would happen naturally with viruses over time.

I simply refuse to discount the fact that something is chewing through the people in New York city. I refuse to accept that it's all a big hoax put on by our political enemies. I want to hear explanations for the observable data that make sense, and don't sound silly to my ears.

You dither and play semantical word games, as you seek to appear wise.

I am pointing out that people do not agree on the meaning of words. An exaggeration can be characterized as either a "lie", or "not a lie" depending on who wants to believe what. I am pointing out that people are subjective in nature and mistakenly believe everyone else sees things from their same perspective.

I wouldn't characterize my point as "playing word games." I am pointing out that "playing word games" is the norm for a huge component of our population.

Its time for you to make a decision and advocate for it.

What decision? Go to public places and inhale deeply? Join a protest group to protest the closing of businesses or some other aspect of this thing?

They are opening things up in my state already. We didn't get hit hard anyways. I do my work, pay my taxes, and try to increase the prosperity and happiness of my family.

I hope this thing doesn't resurge, but I don't have much control over it anyways.

222 posted on 04/30/2020 5:08:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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