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How Art Began with Antony Gormley
BBC Two ^ | Jan. 28, 2019 | BBC

Posted on 01/27/2019 11:39:20 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

Why do humans make art? When did we begin to make our mark on the world? And where? In this major new film, Britain’s most celebrated sculptor, Antony Gormley, is setting out on a journey to see for himself the very beginnings of art.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: antonygormley; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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Last night we watched a program called How Art Began with Antony Gormley from the BBC. I don't live in America so I'm not sure if it's available there yet but if you're into ancient history you might want to look for it to come to BBC America. Antony Gormley is a famous British sculptor and he goes around the world checking out prehistoric paintings. His whole philosophy part was a bit goofy to me but what caught my attention was one style of painting that was demonstrated by a French archaeologist on the show. He took charcoal, put it in his mouth, chewed it up then started spitting chunks of it around his hand in order to make a handprint on the wall. If you go to the link for this article you can see a picture of a handprint that was made over 40 thousand years ago. I would hardly call the technique intuitive. The thing that surprised me was that he found the same technique in caves continents away from each other. It made me start to wonder when the Aliens guy from the History Channel was going to make an appearance.
1 posted on 01/27/2019 11:39:20 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom; SunkenCiv

Very interesting if you’re in to ancient cave paintings, history or alien conspiracy theories.


2 posted on 01/27/2019 11:49:58 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


3 posted on 01/28/2019 12:14:56 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
he found the same technique in caves continents away from each other.

Simultaneous discoveries are so common it would be strange if he hadn't.

4 posted on 01/28/2019 12:27:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Every time a lefty cries "racism", a Trump voter gets his wings.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Simultaneous discoveries are so common it would be strange if he hadn't.

But simultaneous discoveries that predate humans sound pretty fantastic to me. They claim these handprints were made by Neanderthals.

If you take you hand, dip it in a riverbank so it's covered with mud then press your hand against the wall that is what I would call an intuitive way of making a handprint. Laying your clean hand against a wall ans smearing mud around it so when you take your hand away there is an impression of your hand from where the mud didn't hit? Not so much. Throw in a cave so someone has to be standing behind you with a light so you can see what you're doing and it's even less intuitive.

Funny thing was the artist didn't even bring that point up at all. he waxed on about the wonder of humanity. Like I said in my OP, he was kind of goofy.

5 posted on 01/28/2019 12:42:25 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Paintings like the one in this photo were not hands dipped and pressed.

They were actually the very first form of "airbrushing"

People took hollow bones filled with pigments and blew into them, or simply blew them from their mouths, spattering the paint around their hand, exactly like using an airbrush stencil.

They used the same technique for some of the wonderfully subtle shading on their other subjects, too.

Those of who airbrush are fond of making cave art jokes. :)


6 posted on 01/28/2019 1:22:11 AM PST by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Old but great book. :)

https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Explosion-Inquiry-Origins-Religion/dp/0060133457/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548667514&sr=8-1&keywords=the+creative+explosion


7 posted on 01/28/2019 1:26:34 AM PST by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

bkmk


8 posted on 01/28/2019 1:41:43 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Salamander

You can make a primitive airbrush - or an atomizer- bamboo or any hollow stem cut s that you can blow through one half over the open end of the other which is immersed in pigmented water.

A modern metal version:

https://www.dickblick.com/products/art-alternatives-mouth-atomizer/


9 posted on 01/28/2019 3:47:13 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The history of art. Palm prints, then predators and prey, then porn...
;)


10 posted on 01/28/2019 3:53:39 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Salamander

IMHO, that’s evocative of an image of Hell.


11 posted on 01/28/2019 3:55:13 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: piasa

Yes, you can. :)


12 posted on 01/28/2019 4:01:22 AM PST by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: outofsalt

It depends on your perspective, I suppose.

Most cave art was created in the depths of the earth, in total darkness and the artists worked by lamp light.

Hundreds of the rudimentary animal fat lamps [and pigment pots and hollow bone tools] have been found in the caves.

The coolest thing is, is that the art was “animated” by the flickering flames of the lamps.

The dancing shadows [name of an excellent book, btw] delved into the probable “theater” of the artwork, used by the shamans and hunters to tell of great battles, hunts and legends and the shamans, to “preach” about the gods.

Imagine you’re in the total darkness of a cave and the shamans are hidden behind a large rock or outcrop, carefully manipulating the light and shadows to tell a story.
One by one, the Auroch, the horse and the warrior comes alive...

When I’d go to the old Gettysburg museum, the diorama reminded me of that.

All the scenes of battle were there in the darkness of the pit, hidden until the narrator illuminated each in its turn.

If I could take one world tour, ever, it would be to visit the cave art locations.

I think they are the most magnificent things ever and I wish I could see them as the people who made them did.

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/clottes/techniques.php


13 posted on 01/28/2019 4:19:28 AM PST by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Salamander

I have always found sculpture to be more expressive. And yes, combined with storytelling in theatrical lighting would be amazing.
Television has robbed us of the active imagination involved in theater and reading and art.
I have visited Egypt where they did candle light tours of the monuments and it does evoke a sense of mystery and majesty that was redolent in ways that draws you in to the ancient past.


14 posted on 01/28/2019 5:26:38 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: piasa
You can make a primitive airbrush - or an atomizer- bamboo or any hollow stem cut s that you can blow through one half over the open end of the other which is immersed in pigmented water.

I suppose the ancients in Indonesia could have discovered the same technique as the ancients in France several thousand years apart from each other, like knowledge of the Romans and Greeks that was lost during the Dark Ages and had to be rediscovered.

15 posted on 01/28/2019 6:44:41 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Salamander

Thanks. Just ordered it.


16 posted on 01/28/2019 7:09:30 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: outofsalt

Actually, it’s a class of first graders being asked who wants a puppy.


17 posted on 01/28/2019 7:11:40 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Modern definition

ART: Things of little or no value which most people do not want to purchase, the creators of which demand that their efforts be subsidized by public funds.


18 posted on 01/28/2019 7:30:48 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I’m pretty sure art began before Antony Gormley.


19 posted on 01/28/2019 7:35:42 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Fox News: "We distort, you deride")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

So they have somehow figured out that the first person to make art in a cave in Borneo 40,000+ years ago was named Antony Gormley? How did they learn his name?


20 posted on 01/28/2019 8:58:13 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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