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Babylonians Were Using Geometry Centuries Earlier Than Thought
smithsonian ^ | 01/28/2016 | Jesse Emspak

Posted on 01/28/2016 2:56:35 PM PST by BenLurkin

Mathieu Ossendrijver of Humboldt University in Berlin found the tablet while combing through the collections at the British Museum. The written record gives instructions for estimating the area under a curve by finding the area of trapezoids drawn underneath. Using those calculations, the tablet shows how to find the distance Jupiter has traveled in a given interval of time. Until now, this kind of use of trapezoids wasn't known to exist before the 14th century.

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By 400 B.C. Babylonian astronomers had worked out a coordinate system using the ecliptic, the region of the sky the sun and planets move through, Ossendrijver says. They even invented the use of degrees as 360 fractions of a circle based on their sexagesimal, or base 60, counting system. What wasn't clear was whether the Babylonians had a concept of objects in abstract mathematical space.

The trapezoid method involves learning the rate at which Jupiter moves and then plotting the planet's speed against a set number of days on an x-y graph. The result should be a curve on the graph. Figuring out the area of trapezoids under this curve gives a reasonable approximation of how many degrees the planet has moved in a given period.

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Babylonian tablets that hinted at this ability had been found before...

In his own forays into the British Museum, Ossendrijver wasn't looking for evidence of new mathematics, just for interesting astronomical tablets. Some, he says, have been sitting in the museum for decades waiting for translation.

Ultimately he found three more with evidence for trapezoid-based calculations, including the one that clearly shows the mathematical feat of applying the technique to observations of Jupiter. All five tablets are described in Ossendrijver's study, appearing this week in Science.

(Excerpt) Read more at smithsonianmag.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy
KEYWORDS: astronomy; babylon; babylonia; catastrophism; geometry; godsgravesglyphs; immanuelvelikovsky; jupiter; kepler; math; mathematics; tablets; trapezoids; velikovsky; worldsincollision
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To: BenLurkin

I am constantly amazed at hos stupid we think our ancestors were, and yet they were the ones who were brilliant enough to lay the very foundations of all that we know as modern math and modern science.

We have the privilege of building on a well established foundation and they figured this stuff out from almost nothing.

If there are any true geniuses left, it’s not very obvious.


21 posted on 01/28/2016 3:57:07 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Our ancestors were stupid:

1) They were born before 1985.

2) They did not live in Silicon Valley

3) They did not graduate from Stanford

4) They were not a founder for a tech company valued by VC’s at $100m


22 posted on 01/28/2016 4:01:05 PM PST by centurion316
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To: BenLurkin
instructions for estimating the area under a curve by finding the area of trapezoids drawn underneath

The basis of integral calculus.

23 posted on 01/28/2016 4:09:04 PM PST by IronJack
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To: BenLurkin

Actually the Babylonians invented geometry in order to design the world`s first bra because the King of Babylon, Nevercouldnecker, was constantly nagged by the Queen of Babylon about the HANGING GARDENS OF BABYLON:’ viz

“The written record gives instructions for estimating the area under TWO curves by finding the area of trapezoids drawn underneath.” If the areas can be solved, then the volumes can be solved by Solid Trigonometry, [also invented by the Babylonians] which can be used to find the volume of the TWO spherical polygons, and thus the weight thereof; ergo, the load-bearing parameters for support of the two spherical polygons thereof can be deduced.


24 posted on 01/28/2016 4:33:17 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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To: BenLurkin

Don’t the pyramids of Giza predate this by millennia?


25 posted on 01/28/2016 4:39:08 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: centurion316

What went on in Babylon, stayed in Babylon
At least for a while


26 posted on 01/28/2016 4:40:22 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: metmom

Just been reading about gobeckli Tepi and. It seems we don’t even know who were our ancestors but these folks were building massive and ornately laid out shrines before agriculture and the wheel were invented?

Back to the drawing board to trace human civilization


27 posted on 01/28/2016 4:45:51 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf; All

Pyramids may be 2,500 BC or older.


28 posted on 01/28/2016 5:04:01 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Maybe 10,000 BC if they were designed for astrological purposes and only repurposed later as tombs

Whoever designed the Great Pyramid base perimeter to correlate to the equatorial circumference of the earth, and the height to correlate by the same formula to the polar circumference of the earth, knew a bit about geometry not to mention the dimensions of the earth


29 posted on 01/28/2016 5:34:37 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: rlmorel

That’s OK.

Keith Richards will still be around and playing guitar.


30 posted on 01/28/2016 6:37:26 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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To: BenLurkin

Clay tablets, papyrus to write on with quill pens or scratching with a stick.
Just think what these guys could have done with the tools we have today.

Some people have the natural talent. 17 year old kid gets perfect score in calculus
http://remezcla.com/culture/cedric-argueta-perfect-ap-calculus-score/


31 posted on 01/28/2016 8:09:17 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: BenLurkin

The only known and documented Islamic contribution to the world is the cellphone bomb invented by a Palestinian.


32 posted on 01/29/2016 1:45:46 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BenLurkin

Neat!


33 posted on 01/29/2016 1:50:31 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: metmom
I am constantly amazed at hos stupid we think our ancestors were, and yet they were the ones who were brilliant enough to lay the very foundations of all that we know as modern math and modern science.

That is a Darwinian view, that old is primitive, and new is advanced. It is a mostly linear viewpoint when it comes to progress for all things, humanity included. "Lost Arts" are mostly confined to the realm of fiction by that.

I seriously believe there have been civilizations which had more advanced technical skills than we give them credit for.

We have the privilege of building on a well established foundation and they figured this stuff out from almost nothing.

Right. The first fellow who realized the sun set farther north (or south, down under) at midsummer than any other time, and recognized that for the solstice and then applied it, the first to realize plants came from seeds, and that water was needed were the pioneers of agriculture.

The first boat, sailboat, the wheel, all tremendous milestones, and the basic ideas of leverage, mechanical advantage, gears, pulleys, and inclined planes, all blazed a trail for the superhighways which followed.

If there are any true geniuses left, it’s not very obvious.

If so, they were likely booted form grad school for not sucking up to the professors or some heresy against accepted 'fact'.

34 posted on 01/29/2016 2:06:37 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BenLurkin

“If there hadn’t been women we’d still be squatting in a cave eating raw meat, because we made civilization in order to impress our girlfriends.”
― Orson Welles


35 posted on 01/29/2016 5:07:26 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: bunkerhill7
Nevercouldnecker, was constantly nagged by the Queen of Babylon about the HANGING GARDENS OF BABYLON

Yep. She kept asking him, "How's it hanging?"

That's where that phrase came from.

36 posted on 01/30/2016 11:35:26 AM PST by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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