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Researchers May Have Solved 'Missing Link' Mystery in Origin of Life
NBC News ^ | 06/09/2015 | by JESSE EMSPAK, LIVE SCIENCE CONTRIBUTOR

Posted on 06/09/2015 8:54:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: johnnygeneric
So, an experiment DESIGNED by humans is supposed to show the RANDOM generation of life.

It proves nothing.

The next step in the explanation involves all the parts of a working watch being placed in a box for a billion years of agitation. At some point, as they say statistically, it will become a watch on its own.

41 posted on 06/09/2015 9:46:08 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (POPOF. President Of Pants On Fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The early “soup” he is talking about could not assemble life because any proteins would be immediately oxidized form an excess of oxygen according to their own theories.

The odds of a simple cell self assembling itself form say 120 proteins through trial and error exceeds the number of atoms in the universe. These odds do not account for a cell membrane to keep things form drifting off and reproduction is not in the calculations. Then the cell must mutate in ways against the laws of entropy to form “higher” forms of life. Each step is impossible by statistics so the whole theory is impossible many times over.


42 posted on 06/09/2015 9:46:52 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Moonman62

You just never can tell what us ignorant folks are going to say.


43 posted on 06/09/2015 9:47:28 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yea! They found uncle Charley!


44 posted on 06/09/2015 9:47:37 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SeekAndFind

GOD SAID .. LET THERE BE LIGHT - AND LIGHT WAS ..!!!!

Sorry .. earth was NEVER - SOME KIND OF SOUP - WHERE MAN COULD BE CREATED.

God created man - because HE wanted a family. Adam and Eve kind of screwed it up for awhile; but GOD is going to get the last word.


45 posted on 06/09/2015 9:48:42 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: RinaseaofDs

Your statement is ridiculous. If entropy always increases, then there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies, no elements heavier than lithium and beryllium.

Entropy decreases in systems where there are forces at play capable of capturing or converting energy into complexity.

Gravity causes matter to clump, entropy decreases in those localities. Large clumps form stars, smaller clumps around stars form planets, entropy decreases in those localities. Stars fuse light atoms into heavier atoms, decreasing entropy in that locality. Many stars eventually explode distributing heavy elements throughout the universe, which then condense into stars and rocky and gaseous planets, entropy decreases in those localities. Elements on cooling planets react with other chemicals, with energy input from starlight and residual heat energy from the planets’ cores to form complex molecules, entropy decreases in those localities.

The entire Universe refutes your hypothesis. The only thing required for entropy to decrease is capture of energy, and there is plenty of energy and ways to capture energy available. Mars is dead because it is too far from the sun and has cooled to the point where there is insufficient local energy for complex chemicals to react.


46 posted on 06/09/2015 9:52:06 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t want to say it was God but it was God. :-)


47 posted on 06/09/2015 9:52:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“The suspension of the law of Entropy may be the first evidence of Intelligent Design.”

There is no suspension. Life only appears to us as a temporary reversal of entropy since it is compelled to expend energy on new structures to compete with other life for the greatest share of energy. When you go from single cells to trees, the energy efficiency per area of the planet skyrockets. However, that tree now blocks sun to small organisms so they are forced to grow taller to compete. Animals compete for the plants, predator animals compete for those animals, etc.

It seems anti-entropic since we have so much energy here. However, 100% of energy on the planet is from the sun or latent heat in the core. Eventually all life on this planet will stop when those sources stop releasing energy. The remaining life will adapt and consume all that is left until the last microbe on this planet breaks down the last molecule with any potential energy (originally created with energy from the sun).

You see, life doesn’t suspend entropy. It simply takes us on another, more creative route towards the inevitable “zero-ing” of all potential energy in the Universe...


48 posted on 06/09/2015 9:57:15 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: trubolotta

In earth tremors, stones suspended in soils organize themselves by size with largers stones rising and smaller stones sinking. Order can result from the chaos of seismic events.


49 posted on 06/09/2015 10:00:37 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Go_Raiders

Well, (blushing) I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


50 posted on 06/09/2015 10:04:45 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: mountainlion

I see, so it’s statistically impossible for natural selection to accomplish in 3.6 Billion years something that has been done by human intervention in a few hundred years.

Humans have managed to cause the development of hundreds of domesticated plant and animal strains, thousands of strains of chemically resistant microorganisms, and have incorporated the genetic code of countless viruses into our own genetic makeup. All of this applying forces that have been acting in the Earth’s environment since the surface temperature cooled below the boiling point of water.

It helps if you understand statistics and how to apply them before making blanket statements. Here is a good example of how the statistics can be analyzed: http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2012/01/does-probability-refute-evolution/


51 posted on 06/09/2015 10:10:04 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

52 posted on 06/09/2015 10:10:26 AM PDT by mabarker1 (congress, The Opposite of Progress.)
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To: Nifster

First three words of Genesis (called Bereshith in Hebrew, which means “In the beginning”), transliterated from the Masoretic text.


53 posted on 06/09/2015 10:24:57 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: FredZarguna
I'm going to use that logic when I tell the wife I don't have to clean the garage. My garage system will increase in order if we just add enough raw energy and wait a couple billion years. I'll be sure to tell her the waiting is crucial.

After I tell her this she will probably help add raw energy with by using a match and gasoline.

I can't wait to see all the new tools and cars that evolve in my garage due to the increases in order after we add some energy and time.

54 posted on 06/09/2015 10:31:38 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: FredZarguna

Other than supposed macro-evolution, show one thing on this earth where the thermodynamic laws do not apply.


55 posted on 06/09/2015 10:31:45 AM PDT by jps098
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To: SeekAndFind
Here the thing.. this first life, “species Zero” did not ..could not...“evolve” ..evolution own rules excluded it... that the point of the story....so there is and unknown mechanism that creates...that a fact..
56 posted on 06/09/2015 10:33:54 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: SeekAndFind

Richard Dawkins says life on earth started by aliens hitchhiking on the backs of crystals.

http://youtu.be/TUetJ3umTWU


57 posted on 06/09/2015 10:40:03 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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58 posted on 06/09/2015 10:45:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I'm going to use that logic when I tell the wife I don't have to clean the garage. My garage system will increase in order if we just add enough raw energy and wait a couple billion years. I'll be sure to tell her the waiting is crucial.

After I tell her this she will probably help add raw energy with by using a match and gasoline.

I can't wait to see all the new tools and cars that evolve in my garage due to the increases in order after we add some energy and time.

Are we still talking about creation or annihilation? Is it one in the same?

59 posted on 06/09/2015 10:48:53 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (POPOF. President Of Pants On Fire.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

A common argument against biological evolution is that the theory contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. The second law says that disorder, or entropy, always increases or stays the same over time. How then can evolution produce more complex life forms over time? The answer is that the second law is only valid in closed systems with no external sources of energy. Since the Earth receives continual energy from the Sun, the second law does not apply.


60 posted on 06/09/2015 10:49:40 AM PDT by JimSEA
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