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To: trubolotta

In earth tremors, stones suspended in soils organize themselves by size with largers stones rising and smaller stones sinking. Order can result from the chaos of seismic events.


49 posted on 06/09/2015 10:00:37 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: muir_redwoods

This is an example of the unfortunate choice of words I was trying to illustrate. The situation you are describing is “order” in a geometric sense, but not a thermodynamic sense. I think heat provides a better example.

A heat source and a heat sink in a box (closed system) is ordered with “hot stuff” in one place and “cold stuff” in another place. The difference allows us to extract energy but eventually the system flattens and everything reaches the same temperature. When everything is the same, isn’t that order? Of course it isn’t in the thermodynamic sense.

If I now introduce energy from an external heat source, or an imbalance from and external heat sink, I can possibly re-order the interior of the box but in total, my slightly larger universe is still marching toward thermal equilibrium. In your example, the settled rocks have no further energy to offer without application of external energy.

Again, I’m simply trying to make the point of how poorly words have been chosen to explain the second law.


61 posted on 06/09/2015 11:32:33 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: muir_redwoods
Order can result from the chaos of seismic events.

Let me know when a seismic event is able to produce a wall of rocks with a gate in the middle...

65 posted on 06/09/2015 1:25:17 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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