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Archaeologists shocked to find 5,000-year-old battlefield in prehistoric Cardiff
Culture24 ^ | 11 August 2014 | Ben Miller

Posted on 08/17/2014 1:17:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Archaeologists hoping to discover Roman and Iron Age finds at a Welsh hillfort were shocked to unearth pottery and arrowheads predating their predicted finds by 4,000 years at the home of a powerful Iron Age community, including flint tools and weapons from 3,600 BC.

Caerau, an Iron Age residency on the outskirts of Cardiff, would have been a battleground more than 5,000 years ago according to the arrowheads, awls, scrapers and polished stone axe fragments found during the surprising excavation.

“Quite frankly, we were amazed,” says Dr Dave Wyatt, the co-director of the dig, from Cardiff University...

“But no-one realised the site had been occupied as far back as the Neolithic – predating the construction of the Iron Age hillfort by several thousand years.”

Oliver Davis, Dr Wyatt’s colleague on the CAER project, says the ditches date from the early Neolithic period when communities first settled and farmed the landscape.

“The location and number of Neolithic finds indicate that we have discovered a causewayed enclosure – a special place where small communities gathered together at certain important times of the year to celebrate, feast, exchange things and possibly find marriage partners,” he believes.

“Such sites are very rare in Wales with only five other known examples, mostly situated in the south.

“What's fascinating is that a number of the flint arrowheads we have found have been broken as a result of impact - this suggests some form of conflict occurred at this meeting place over 5,000 years ago.”

(Excerpt) Read more at culture24.org.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: cardiff; godsgravesglyphs; ironage; neolithic; wales
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To: SunkenCiv
a causewayed enclosure – a special place where small communities gathered together at certain important times of the year to celebrate, feast, exchange things and possibly find marriage partners

Or shelter the non-combatants?

21 posted on 08/17/2014 3:28:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Joe it’s like all the old camps on the ranch, when they get back those points that can’t be repaired are discarded.


22 posted on 08/17/2014 3:35:01 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
Either that or there is a reason Pelosi, Sarah Brady, Feinswine, etc. look so old...

Mebbe they had an arrowhead 'buyback'

23 posted on 08/17/2014 3:39:29 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cloudmountain
When have humans NOT fought?

According to every archaeological museum, ancient people lived as hippies in happy peaceful communes up until white man arrived.

24 posted on 08/17/2014 3:47:14 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: SunkenCiv

They get to thinking they know every thing and then when they find they are wrong they are shocked.

How many other things are there that they might be wrong about that they have every one believing?


25 posted on 08/17/2014 3:48:19 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: Reeses

Before the White Man showed up the Earth was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.


26 posted on 08/17/2014 3:49:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cloudmountain
Good. I've got nine gallons of it fermenting right now, actually eight gallons of mead and one gallon of pear mellomel. It should be ok by about Christmas... I hope.
27 posted on 08/17/2014 4:41:02 PM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Reeses
According to every archaeological museum, ancient people lived as hippies in happy peaceful communes up until white man arrived.

BALDERDASH.

Humans have fought over land, water, hunting grounds, women, disrespect. Heck, they you KNOW that they fought over who got the biggest piece of meat for dinner, who got the biggest bone-as-a-weapon, who got to "bed" the broad with the biggest chest and butt, who got to eat the best berries...and so on.
Ancient people were no different that we are. They STILL fought. THEY had original sin and THAT is the source of our not-so-nice inclinations.

The ONLY reasons why the hippies were happy and peaceful was because they were always STONED.
But when it came time to buy more "buzz" then, they were agitated, worried, anxious...WANTING their next "fix." You KNOW they forced their "women" to sell themselves for all those ensuing "buzzes."

Abraham Lincoln said: Human behavior can be modified to some extent but human nature cannot be changed.

28 posted on 08/17/2014 4:42:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I agree with you. Most archaeologists, as well as museum curators, tend to be leftist academics and they often project their modern leftist values onto ancient people with laughable results. It’s refreshing to see archaeologists even admit warfare existed back then. Human warfare is the special environmental pressure that drove human intelligence far beyond what was needed to find food and shelter. It has been with us from the beginning. Oh and the Neanderthals, one of the smartest animals ever, didn’t fall off the face of Earth from climate change. They were pushed off by the Cro-Magnons, which are the ancestors of white man. Winning that many thousand year war was probably a big reason why Cro-Magnon descendents later were the only race to ever walk on the moon.


29 posted on 08/17/2014 5:16:12 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
PARAGRAPHS are our friends.

PUL-EEZE, just TRY it; you might even like it.
You DO know what paragraphs are, doncha?? :o)

30 posted on 08/17/2014 5:18:05 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Vote 4 Nixon
Good. I've got nine gallons of it fermenting right now, actually eight gallons of mead and one gallon of pear mellomel. It should be ok by about Christmas... I hope.

My husband and I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years...made a fortune. However, Saudi Arabia is a dry country.

The "good ole boys" from all over the south, all engineers with ARAMCO, had stills. When they finally went home, they sold their stills. My dear, sweet husband ran a still and created siddiqi which means "my friend" in Arabic.

50 gallon plastic container
50 gallons of water
50 pounds of sugar
a HUGE can of yeast (sold in town by the Saudis--"lots of cookies, haha")
COOK for three/four days, I think.

Result: five gallons on 180 proof alcohol.
It was cut in half with "sweet" water--an "awl man's" term for potable water. That way, he made 90 proof booze.

NO hangover. The Brits said it made one "legless."
Lol. It did. It made my THIGHS ache. I had the stuff ONCE...and that was enough.

Yes, we did have an A.A. there.

31 posted on 08/17/2014 5:25:13 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Them are fightin’ words! :-)


32 posted on 08/17/2014 5:50:11 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: BenLurkin
a causewayed enclosure – a special place where small communities gathered together at certain important times of the year to celebrate, feast, exchange things and possibly find marriage partners

Or shelter the non-combatants?


Or what is called a hill fort in the rest of the UK?

A modern re-creation of a hill fort in Wilshire -


33 posted on 08/17/2014 8:01:53 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: cloudmountain

“EVERYONE lost.”

Yeah, especially the right to self-government.


34 posted on 08/18/2014 6:46:49 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dfwgator; SunkenCiv
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
There's a land that's fair and bright,
Where the handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
Where the boxcars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
And the birds and the bees
And the cigarette trees
The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

35 posted on 08/18/2014 12:40:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

Really, the fact that there are ancient war artifacts all over the earth should’ve enlightened the hippies who wanted world peace.

Forget it.


36 posted on 08/25/2014 10:43:07 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

:’) So much for that adjective, eh?

Not only that, the hippies don’t really want world peace, they want the violent overthrow of ‘the establishment’ and imposition of a single party state, where no one has any choice but obedience.


37 posted on 08/28/2014 3:20:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

and if they really got that finally, they’d understand the maketh of ancient war artifacts;)

Peace (is) OUT, man...


38 posted on 08/28/2014 9:50:58 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

Nevertheless, I dedicate this somewhat ‘hippy’ song to you;)

Mystic Traveler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wYFvNifE9Y


39 posted on 08/28/2014 10:13:57 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Oh wow, I’d forgotten about that one, hadn’t heard it in decades, and probably not thought about it either. :’)

robin williamson scotland yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85THuC_ljTc


40 posted on 08/28/2014 10:21:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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