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If ID Theorists Are Right, How Should We Study Nature?
Evolution News and Views ^ | January 23, 2014 | Denyse O'Leary

Posted on 01/23/2014 9:19:28 AM PST by Heartlander

If ID Theorists Are Right, How Should We Study Nature?

One can at least point a direction by now. I began this series by asking, what has materialism (naturalism) done for science? It made a virtue of preferring theory to evidence, if the theory supports naturalism and the evidence doesn't. Well-supported evidence that undermines naturalism (the Big Bang and fine tuning of the universe, for example) attracted increasingly speculative attempts at disconfirmation. Discouraging results from the search for life on Mars cause us to put our faith in life on exoplanets -- lest Earth be seen as unusual (the Copernican Principle).

All this might be just the beginning of a great adventure. World-changing discoveries, after all, have originated in the oddest circumstances. Who would have expected the Americas to be discovered by people who mainly wanted peppercorns, cinnamon, sugar, and such? But disturbingly, unlike the early modern adventurers who encountered advanced civilizations, we merely imagine them. We tell ourselves they must exist; in the absence of evidence, we make faith in them a virtue. So while Bigfoot was never science, the space alien must always be so, even if he is forever a discipline without a subject.

Then, having acquired the habit, we began to conjure like sorcerer's apprentices, and with a like result: We conjured countless universes where everything and its opposite turned out to be true except, of course, philosophy and religion. Bizarre is the new normal and science no longer necessarily means reality-based thinking.

But the evidence is still there, all along the road to reality. It is still saying what the new cosmologies do not want to hear. And the cost of ignoring it is the decline of real-world programs like NASA in favor of endlessly creative speculation. It turns out that, far from being the anchor of science, materialism has become its millstone.

But now, what if the ID theorists are right, that information rather than matter is the basic stuff of the universe? It is then reasonable to think that meaning underlies the universe. Meaning cannot then be explained away. It is the irreducible core. That is why reductive efforts to explain away evidence that supports meaning (Big Bang, fine-tuning, physical laws) have led to contradictory, unresearchable, and unintelligible outcomes.

The irreducible core of meaning is controversial principally because it provides support for theism. But the alternative has provided support for unintelligibility. Finally, one must choose. If we choose what intelligent design theorist Bill Dembski calls "information realism," the way we think about cosmology changes.

First, we live with what the evidence suggests. Not simply because it suits our beliefs but because research in a meaningful universe should gradually reveal a comprehensible reality, as scientists have traditionally assumed. If information, not matter, is the substrate of the universe, key stumbling blocks of current materialist science such as origin of life, of human beings, and of human consciousness can be approached in a different way. An information approach does not attempt to reduce these phenomena to a level of complexity below which they don't actually exist.

Materialist origin of life research, for example, has been an unmitigated failure principally because it seeks a high and replicable level of order that just somehow randomly happened at one point. The search for the origin of the human race has been similarly vitiated by the search for a not-quite-human subject, the small, shuffling fellow behind the man carrying the spear. In this case, it would have been well if researchers had simply never found their subject. Unfortunately, they have attempted at times to cast various human groups in the shuffler's role. Then gotten mired in controversy, and largely got the story wrong and missed its point.

One would have thought that materialists would know better than to even try addressing human consciousness. But materialism is a totalistic creed or else it is nothing. Current theories range from physicist Max Tegmark's claim that human consciousness is a material substance through to philosopher Daniel Dennett's notion that it is best treated somewhat like "figments of imagination" (don't ask whose) through philosopher Alex Rosenberg's idea that consciousness is a problem that will have to be dissolved by neuroscience. All these theories share two characteristics: They reduce consciousness to something that it isn't. And they get nowhere with understanding what it is. The only achievement that materialist thought can claim in the area of consciousness studies is to make them sound as fundamentally unserious as many current cosmologies. And that is no mean feat.

Suppose we look at the origin of life from an information perspective. Life forms show a much higher level of information, however that state of affairs came about, than non-living matter does. From our perspective, we break no rule if we assume, for the sake of investigation, that the reason we cannot find evidence for an accidental origin of life is that life did not originate in that way. For us, nothing depends one way or the other on demonstrating that life was an accident. We do not earn the right to study life's origin by declaring that "science" means assuming that such a proposition is true and proceeding from there irrespective of consequences. So, with this in mind, what are we to make of the current state of origin-of-life research?

Editor's note: Here is the "Science Fictions" series to date at your fingertips .


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To: tacticalogic

Why? Science was fine before methodological materialism confined it - you sound like chicken little. If methodological materialism explains human consciousness without free-will, morality, or ‘self’ - who cares?


221 posted on 02/05/2014 6:38:41 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: tacticalogic

Darwin showed that material causes are a sufficient explanation not only for physical phenomena, as Descartes and Newton had shown, but also for biological phenomena with all their seeming evidence of design and purpose. By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous. Together with Marx's materialistic theory of history and society and Freud's attribution of human behavior to influences over which we have little control, Darwin's theory of evolution was a crucial plank in the platform of mechanism and materialism…
-Douglas Futuyma's Evolutionary Biology (1998, 3rd Ed., Sinauer Associates), p. 5
Is this science or philosophy?
222 posted on 02/05/2014 6:44:43 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: tacticalogic
In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.
- Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

How does this help science?


223 posted on 02/05/2014 6:54:12 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

Looks like philosophy to me.


224 posted on 02/05/2014 6:56:03 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Heartlander
It doesn't that I can tell.

How will having theories that can't be tested help?

225 posted on 02/05/2014 6:59:43 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Heartlander
Science was fine before methodological materialism confined it.

Then why did they do it?

226 posted on 02/05/2014 7:02:25 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
… the naturalist believes that beneath every natural phenomenon there exists yet another natural phenomenon. If explanation by reference to an endless stack of large turtles is silly, then an explanation by reference to an endless stack of natural phenomena would be equally so. The naturalist's answer for the origin of life, therefore, is some natural phenomenon. (Which one is not particularly relevant.) When you ask them how that natural phenomenon came to be, their response boils down to: "It's natural phenomena all the way down!"
-Pete Chadwell

I hope you are starting to understand.
227 posted on 02/05/2014 7:05:42 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

I understand conflating methodological naturalism with philosophical naturalism to try and smear science as being inherently atheistic.


228 posted on 02/05/2014 7:09:37 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Again - we are talking about methodological materialism which is atheistic - explain your consciousness using this ‘tool’.


229 posted on 02/05/2014 7:19:14 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
Again - we are talking about methodological materialism which is atheistic -

You might be. I'm not. I'm talking about methodolgical naturalism that simply acknowleges that you cannot experiment on what you cannot detect or measure. It doesn't deny God exists, it just says we don't have any way to test or measure Him.

230 posted on 02/05/2014 7:22:43 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Sad - refer to post #197 once again...


231 posted on 02/05/2014 7:29:14 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

Does it say something it didn’t before? I know the difference between methodological naturalism and philosophical naturalism, and you can’t convince me they are the same thing because I know better.


232 posted on 02/05/2014 7:33:13 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Well, first of all - we’ve been talking about methodological materialism...


233 posted on 02/05/2014 7:37:25 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
Well, first of all - we’ve been talking about methodological materialism...

No, I've been talking about methodoligcal naturalism.

You've been talking about philosophical naturalism, and calling it methodological naturalism.

234 posted on 02/05/2014 7:41:07 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Once again - look at post 197...


235 posted on 02/05/2014 7:48:29 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
Once again - look at post 197...

Are you trying to induce Stockholm syndrome?

236 posted on 02/05/2014 7:55:24 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Heartlander; tacticalogic; spirited irish
Methodological materialism is a 'tool' that carries the philosophical baggage of atheism. I believe it brings no benefit and puts unnecessary limits on science — it should be discarded and I see no need for it to be replaced with anything. It tries to explain away the Big Bang and a universe fine tuned for life with the 'multiverse' — the only merit to the multiverse theory is that it means there is a universe somewhere out there where Richard Dawkins is a rabid Creationist — but it's still ultimately meaningless.

Indeed, dear Heartlander. Well said!

237 posted on 02/06/2014 11:58:21 AM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: spirited irish
God has made man, and willed that he should abide in incorruption; but men, having despised and rejected the higher things of God, devised and contrived evil for themselves, thereby receiving "... the condemnation of death with which they had been threatened; and from thenceforth no longer remained as they were made, but were being corrupted according to their devices; and death had the mastery over them as king."

What a beautiful analysis, dear spirited! Thank you especially for the excerpt from St. Athanasius — an outstanding, truthful commentary on the divinely constituted human condition....

THANK YOU!

238 posted on 02/06/2014 12:07:41 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: betty boop; Heartlander

So we can just go back to doing things the way the did in the 14th century. Who does that? Oh, wait....


239 posted on 02/06/2014 1:14:07 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop
So we can just go back to doing things the way the did in the 14th century. Who does that? Oh, wait....

Hmmm… Yes, I could see how someone with limited intelligence might think this as they would be unfamiliar with data verification, the peer-review process, and other tools in science. I could also see how an irrational dogmatic alarmist might state this as to scare people into thinking science would be taken over by some type of theocracy. Either way, I don’t have the time to educate the first case or the desire to debate the second. But for those with the ability to learn and who are open-minded – (meaning Betty) - here is a brief synopsis

240 posted on 02/06/2014 2:20:04 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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