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If ID Theorists Are Right, How Should We Study Nature?
Evolution News and Views ^ | January 23, 2014 | Denyse O'Leary

Posted on 01/23/2014 9:19:28 AM PST by Heartlander

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To: metmom
To God, there is no supernatural. But he is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, so He has full knowledge.

So those materialists who write off stuff as superstition are no better than those the denigrate because THEY are the ones impeding the advance of knowledge. By labeling something as *supernatural* and then claiming that science does not deal with the *supernatural* they are excluding it from study in which we might actually learn something.

So to God, there is no *supernatural*, but to the "materialists", there is. That means the acknowlege they are not God.

401 posted on 02/17/2014 6:56:16 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: betty boop

“Poor dears” indeed. Thank you for your insights, dearest sister in Christ!


402 posted on 02/17/2014 7:03:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
just wish and hope and pray that the churches and synagogues will do a better job of protecting their young people, going forward.

Otherwise, their young people will be easy prey for the sharpsters of this world....

They need to be fortified by the knowledge that God alone is their only shield against evil in this world.

Indeed. I join in your prayer for them, dearest sister in Christ!

403 posted on 02/17/2014 7:07:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe; Heartlander
betty: And you need them to be blendable, he argues, because only such a "blend" could account for divine transcendence and divine immanence at the same time.

Spirited: When Hermes taught the meaning of the 'Abyss' he taught "as above," meaning transcendent, "so below," meaning here in the material dimension.

In this way of thinking, nature (or cosmos) is a closed system consisting of the impersonal Mind, Spirit, etc. All things are "one with," meaning aspects of the Mind (i.e., Ein Sof, Brahma, Basilides, Star Maker).

Though there is but the one dimension as opposed to the Bible's two distinct yet interfacing, interactive dimensions(supernatural and natural), the impersonal Mind is said to be "above" because it is the top-most astral plane of the cosmic tree. The tree consists of many interconnected, descending-order planes. Some are hells, others heavens. Some are where the gods and goddesses exist. On others thought-forms exist. Some are the abode of demons, old souls, and other powers. Alice Baily teaches that one of the planes is where the Black Lodge exists. Gnostics placed Jehovah---the creator of evil matter---on a plane just above earth. The material world "here below" is the lowest rung on the cosmic tree.

When "Ben" teaches the blendability of Christianity and Buddhism he is calling for the submersion of the supernatural dimension of the living God with the closed system of Buddhism, the reduction of the living God to spiritualized matter, and the depersonalization of man.

404 posted on 02/18/2014 4:02:39 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; betty boop; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe
Just released – a short documentary (30 mins) that can be viewed for free:

War on Humans


I recommend viewing this and sharing it with family & friends. You will see, as John West puts it, “When you give up on human exceptionalism, you go a little off your rocker”.
405 posted on 02/18/2014 6:10:25 AM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: spirited irish

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear spirited irish!


406 posted on 02/18/2014 8:25:07 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Heartlander

Thank you for the link, dear Heartlander!


407 posted on 02/18/2014 8:25:25 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: spirited irish
When "Ben" teaches the blendability of Christianity and Buddhism he is calling for the submersion of the supernatural dimension of the living God with the closed system of Buddhism, the reduction of the living God to spiritualized matter, and the depersonalization of man.

Oh so very true, dear sister in Christ — and to see the depersonalization of man in all this is to understand what "Ben" is really up to.

408 posted on 02/18/2014 9:25:13 AM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: betty boop

It appears that Ben prefers reabsorption to physical resurrection. If you’re interested in the psychology behind the rejection of physical resurrection, then read:

Bus Ride from Hell
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kimball/120904


409 posted on 02/18/2014 9:42:29 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish; others; Whosoever

Cremer weaves a tale about things he can’t possibly know as if he knew them..

As Kimball weaves a tale about other things she can’t possibly know as if she wanted them to exist..

Others were mentioned with versions of other tales...

Some were cartoon-like others fictionalized.. with creative imagination...
As interesting as, anything, Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, Clarke, or Jules Vern ever “imagined”..

Thanks.... I was entertained..
Interesting to me... what people “think” flesh(carnality) is..
As what they “think” Spirit, spirits, (ghosts) actually “is/are”...

I’m left thinking “we” don’t really know very much about those things .......
At least I don’t.... but am willing to admit it..

What is a human? and where does “it” stand among all the Universal “things”.?..
Including God which no one I know of knows, what God “IS”... and “Isn’t”..

According to my experience I know few that ever care about those things..
Most think they already “know”.. as much as they want to know.. which is little or nothing..

This discussion shows “some” actually do care.. and lean toward one Tale or another..


410 posted on 02/18/2014 12:21:35 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Heartlander; betty boop; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe
"...as John West puts it, “When you give up on human exceptionalism, you go a little off your rocker”. Spirited: GK Chesterton agrees:

"It is not natural to see man as a natural product. It is not common sense to call man a common object of the country or the seashore. It is not seeing him straight to see him as an animal. It is not sane. It sins against the light; against that broad daylight of proportion which is the principal of all reality." The Everlasting Man

411 posted on 02/18/2014 2:35:33 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: Heartlander; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe
Thank you oh so much for the valuable link, dear Heartlander!

Peter Singer is mentioned in same. He chairs the bioethics department at Princeton.

I can't exactly say why, but every time I hear from this guy, I cannot fail but to detect a profound sense of self-loathing in this individual. At bottom, this could mean he not only hates himself, but basically also hates his fellow human beings as such.

Of course, if he hates and so denies God — and he most definitely does — then I suppose self-hated and hatred of his fellow human beings just turns out to naturally follow therefrom.

Personally, I consign the Peter Singers of this world to the category of insane persons.

So my question then becomes: Why is it that the sane people are so cowed by people like Peter Singer?

412 posted on 02/18/2014 2:44:42 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: betty boop; Heartlander; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe
betty: Why is it that the sane people are so cowed by people like Peter Singer?

Spirited: Evil has that effect:

"No. I suppose that other world must be all a dream," said Jill

"Yes. It is all a dream," said the Witch

"Yes, all a dream," said Jill.

"There never was such a world," said the Witch.

"No," said Jill and Scrubb, "never was such a world."

"There never was any world but mine," said the Witch.

"There never was any world but yours," they said.

The witch is an important part of CS Lewis' novel, The Silver Chair, because her character symbolizes the principle of nihilism (negation) and rebellion in fallen mortal men (i.e., Peter Singer). Though the witch is not the actual devil she is of like mind with him and her mesmerizing powers of persuasion come from him.

Like her father the devil, the witch is not by any margin sane but rather dangerously insane. She is a convincing, practiced liar, a master of the black arts of deception and manipulation who knows that Narnia exists, but being spiritually dead (like Peter Singer) her lack of empathy and malignant narcissism permits her to negate reality (personhood with Singer) and impose on her victims a false reality (with Singer: man=ape)made up of distortions and fabrications.

Being of like mind with the devil she seemingly possesses a limitless supply of demonic energy, especially when engaged in imposing her will over the wills of others. Since she desires power for the sake of power, she wants the reins of control in her hands at all times as her overriding passion is to utterly control and dominate the minds and wills of others which she poisons by manipulating their perceptions. She does this by slowly but surely isolating her victims, one from the other, in a vast black widow's web of deception. She begins spinning her web by causing doubt, creating confusion, whispering behind backs, deftly massaging the pride and resentment of some while burdening those she perceives as threats with a false sense of guilt. This allows her to turn the hate and vengeance of the first group against the second, the scapegoats she quickly belittles, ridicules, undermines, discredits, denigrates and accuses of insanity should they dare to speak truth to lies:

""Narnia? I have often heard your Lordship utter that name in your ravings. Dear Prince, you are very sick. There is no land called Narnia."

The principle of negation rests on a foundation of pride, lust, covetousness, resentment and envy, and like the devil, the witch's brand of negation is so total that she lacks the capacity for empathy, making her very dangerous not only because she is motivated to scapegoat and crucify others but also because her lack of empathy negates the restraint resulting from empathy and respect for others.

Negation of empathy results in blindness to the humanity of victims which in turn permits them to be sacrificed without remorse on the altar of narcissism, for with the negation of humanity intended victims are no longer human beings but rather objects of pleasure or displeasure to be used, abused, tormented and discarded at will. This monstrous evil finds expression over and over in the writings of the sexual sadist, the Marquis de Sade:

"The philosopher sates his appetites without inquiring to know what his enjoyments may cost others, and without remorse." (Libido Dominandi, E. Michael Jones, p. 26)

The highly respected profiler of sex crimes, Roy Hazelwood describes sexual sadists like de Sade as malignant narcissists who are aroused by the suffering of another:

"It is not the infliction of pain that is arousing to the sadist, but the victim's suffering. The sadist may use physical or psychological pain as a tool to elicit the suffering, but it is the suffering that is crucial to his arousal." The most successful sexual sadists are narcissists for whom "there are no absolutes, the infinity of darkness." (Roy Hazelwood: Profiler of Sexual Crimes, Katherine Ramsland, Crime Library)

Peter Singer is a malignant narcissist who happens to chair the bioethics dept. at Princeton.

413 posted on 02/18/2014 3:44:05 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: betty boop; spirited irish; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; TXnMA; metmom; hosepipe
Why is it that the sane people are so cowed by people like Peter Singer?

Somehow this man, and others like him, were put in positions of authority – and allowed to teach young minds eager to question everything… Dusting off an old poem -

A Question to Prose

A question to prose
As enlightenment grows
Yet the riddle of life still exists
Our being begs ‘why, we live and then die?’
Our soul existence must mean more than this

Can the sentence lie,
The how and the why,
In the writings and speeches of man?
And if the answer is maybe it can
It must now be juxtaposed
With a ‘just suppose’
And ‘I think, so therefore I am’

Look how truth now exits the stage
Left with the hypothesis
Of the solitary sage
And his soliloquy of what might be
Another man in another season
Who revels in revelations without reason
Lest this reason be
Mans’ own divinity

It’s a raffle of thoughts won by whatnots
Who cling to transcending verbs and nouns
Creating a literal mind with their bounds
Can it be that our own lexis
Sets limits, blinds,
And has verbally vexed us?

Gaze long and hard in one’s sacred heart
Forego the mind believed to be smart
Love exists there for you and for me
It’s where our "Author" wrote it
To set us all free
-Heartlander


414 posted on 02/18/2014 4:17:38 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

Nice poem with lovely cadence..


415 posted on 02/18/2014 4:59:51 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: betty boop
Why is it that the sane people are so cowed by people like Peter Singer?

Indeed, none should be, dearest sister in Christ!
416 posted on 02/18/2014 8:44:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Heartlander

Excellent! You’ve neatly captured the contentious, skeptical, rebellious spirit of our age: God is dead. He never spoke. Since there is no higher Authority, no personal Mind over our own, there is no truth but what man wills, therefore as Dostoevsky ominously foresaw, “all things are now possible.”


417 posted on 02/19/2014 12:12:31 PM PST by spirited irish
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