Posted on 01/23/2014 9:19:28 AM PST by Heartlander
I can see how a zealot would sidestep discussion of unintended consequences by deriding anyone who might consider them.
Who’s going to peer review Genesis?
Oh my!!! Thus these "yelpers" — methodological materialists, a/k/a/ "MMs" — just keep on "yelping!" Their logical position is self-contradictory and thus perilous; but they just don't seem to care or want to notice.
Good grief, I just loved "the publicity condition" the yelpers would impose on us — NOT!!!
I'm sorry, but I just suspect that people who think the way the MMs do are totally out of their minds. They are psychiatric patients — or ought to be.
Plus their behavior kind of reminds me of a turkey house: initial conditions are quiet; but then, one turkey starts yelling — and sets off the entire turkey community within earshot to do likewise, as if in total panic.
Result: NOISE. Nothing means anything in this scenario. It is just turkeys "communicating" with each other....
Better stop for now. Thank you ever so much for writing, dear Heartlander!
For someone who’s supposedly above materialism, you seem curiously fixated on material theory.
Thank you so much for all of your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
“Apologists for MM provide a number of supporting rationales. It is claimed that design: is objectionably unobservable, violates a ‘publicity’ condition on scientific evidence, precludes general, law-based explanation, is a ‘science stopper’, is an argument from ignorance, fails to provide a mechanism, is ‘intractable’, is not ‘controllable’, is empirically sterile, makes no practical difference to science, and, in any case, has been decisively refuted.”
Spirited: These are the brazen lies of con-artists-—men who hate God and blame Him for the evils of this world. It is not that design does not exist, everyone can see that it does, but that unscrupulous, intellectually arrogant self- worshippers manipulate our perception of reality (mind control) in order to force us to exist in a false reality void of morality, truth, meaning and purpose.
In the former Soviet Union such people had the absolute power over life and death that permitted them to force their false reality onto everyone else. Here in America, anyone who poses a threat to the power they exert through imposition of false reality is mercilessly whipped with the help of our compliant media with a cat ‘o nine of cruel ridicule, mockery, and accusations of hatred, intolerance and insanity in order to cause other people to shun them.
In the Soviet Union, truth-tellers were killed. Here they must be destroyed via psychological terror.
"Philosophical" is something you believe. "Methodological" is something you do.
Spirited: In other words, betty's 'curious fixation' implies some-sort of 'mental health' problem.
The method utilized by all people who are offended by higher truth, meaning, purpose, and moral constraints invariably consists of the charge of insanity. They routinely level this hideous charge against anyone who poses a threat to their inflated sense of self. The self-confessed Big Liar, Hitler, always charged truth-tellers with insanity.
The Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich were criminal enterprises---hell's on earth-- run for the benefit of the criminally-minded. Among common denominators of both earthly hells were: hatred of God, Darwinism, neo-paganism (i.e., materialism), mental hygiene, political correctness, sexual perversions, and brutal human experimentation under the banner of science (magic science).
The method utilized by all people who are offended by higher truth, meaning, purpose, and moral constraints invariably consists of the charge of insanity.
Kind of like the implications of delusion implied in "second reality"?
Spirited: To begin at the beginning, your accusations against betty arose in reaction against her observations regarding the materialist worldview. Therefore, it is only on a shallow level that turning around my statement seems clever since you are in effect defending the nihilism of materialist assumptions. In other words, underlying your cleverness is nothing but arrogance.
All worldviews begin with a religious declaration. The Biblical or Revealed Word perspective begins with, "In the beginning God created..." Evolutionary atheism begins with divinized man declaring, "In the beginning void, matter, and energy." Rather than the living, personal God, evolutionists prefer instead, void (abyss), matter, and energy. This is all there is, and despite that none of it lives or thinks, matter nevertheless thinks, chooses, is miraculously self-perfecting and Divine: "…matter itself continually attains to higher perfection under its own power, thanks to indwelling dialectic…the dialectical materialists attribution of 'dialectic' to matter confers on it, not mental attributes only, but even divine ones." (Dialectical Materialism, Gustav A. Wetter, 1977, p. 58) In explicitly religious language, the following neo-pagan religionist offers all praise, honor, and glory to his non-life bearing anti-human anti-creator: "We may regard the material and cosmic world as the supreme being, as the cause of all causes, as the creator of heaven and earth." (Vladimir Lenin quoted in Communism versus Creation, Francis Nigel Lee, 1969, p. 28) Now who is delusional? The man whose reality is defined by, and his hopes rest upon, the living, personal God, Creator of time, matter and energy and sustainer of life and being or the man whose 'reality' is defined by, and his hopes rest upon, non-life-bearing, mindless created stuff--- the 'alternative reality" of non-self?--- void (nothingness), matter, and energy?
Everyone has a "worldview", regardless of whether they've ever had any religious indocrination or not.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear spirited irish!
you: "Philosophical" is something you believe. "Methodological" is something you do.
When methodological materialism is a belief, the one so believing is ill.
That argument obfuscates the semantics. When it becomes a belief it's philosophical, and not just methodological.
Again, you make the point rather well.
Then why should we employ arguments that obfuscate what's being discussed?
Worldviews are always religiously held. Though evolutionary atheists like to believe that it is by “reason” that they adhere to the presuppositions, ideations, theories, etc. of which their worldview consists, like all believers, they hold to them religiously. Most in fact, are as zealous in their beliefs as are the most zealous of Muslims. Meaning their desire to enforce their beliefs, i.e., evolution, ranks with Muslim enforcers of Sharia. This is why evolutionary atheists murdered in excess of 160,000,000 during the 20th century.
tacticalogic: "Kind of like the implications of delusion implied in "second reality"?
Spirited: To begin at the beginning, your accusations against betty arose in reaction against her observations regarding the materialist worldview. Therefore, it is only on a shallow level that turning around my statement seems clever since you are in effect defending the nihilism of materialist assumptions. In other words, underlying your cleverness is nothing but arrogance.
All worldviews begin with a religious declaration. The Biblical or Revealed Word perspective begins with, "In the beginning God created..." Evolutionary atheism begins with divinized man declaring, "In the beginning void, matter, and energy."
Rather than the living, personal God, evolutionists prefer instead, void (abyss), matter, and energy. This is all there is, and despite that none of it lives or thinks, matter nevertheless thinks, chooses, is miraculously self-perfecting and Divine:
"…matter itself continually attains to higher perfection under its own power, thanks to indwelling dialectic…the dialectical materialists attribution of 'dialectic' to matter confers on it, not mental attributes only, but even divine ones." (Dialectical Materialism, Gustav A. Wetter, 1977, p. 58)
In explicitly religious language, the following neo-pagan religionist offers all praise, honor, and glory to his non-life bearing anti-human anti-creator:
"We may regard the material and cosmic world as the supreme being, as the cause of all causes, as the creator of heaven and earth." (Vladimir Lenin quoted in Communism versus Creation, Francis Nigel Lee, 1969, p. 28)
Now who is delusional? The man whose reality is defined by, and his hopes rest upon, the living, personal God, Creator of time, matter and energy and sustainer of life and being or the man whose 'reality' is defined by, and his hopes rest upon, non-life-bearing, mindless created stuff--- the 'alternative reality" of non-self?--- void (nothingness), matter, and energy?
Who sees reality more clearly: Someone who looks at the world, and chooses to believe in a living personal God based on what they see, or someone who starts with having been taught someone else's theology and looking at the world through it?
Hmmm... I thought I was plain spoken.
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