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What happened to the Neanderthals? Check their DNA.
Christian Science Monitor ^ | November 16, 2006 edition | Peter N. Spotts

Posted on 11/15/2006 8:36:11 PM PST by Graybeard58

Humans' closest cousins, the Neanderthals, vanished 30,000 years ago after sharing turf with humans for millenniums. But why they disappeared remains a mystery.

Two research teams decided to try a new approach: Instead of studying tiny fragments of DNA from one of these cousins, they looked for ways to string fragments together to get a more complete source of potential genetic clues. Conventional wisdom held that this task was impossible for material this old. But using the 38,000-year-old remains of a 38-year-old male, found in a Croatian cave, each group now says it has rebuilt, or sequenced, long segments of Neanderthal DNA - the twisted, ladder-shaped molecule in the nucleus of cells that holds an organism's genetic blueprint.

The technique is not only yielding new insights into Neanderthals, reported in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature and Friday's issue of Science, it's also likely to prove an important tool in teasing out secrets about how plants and animals evolved, researchers say. DNA "is the ultimate forensic record of evolution," says Sean Carroll, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. "There's never been a more exciting time to be an evolutionary biologist."

Within the next two years, one team hopes to finish a rough draft of the Neanderthal's full genome. This would help scientists answer nagging questions about the Neanderthals' evolutionary history, including factors contributing to their demise. It also would yield insights into the evolutionary history of modern humans.

"We are at the dawn of Neanderthal genomics," says Dr. Rubin, with the US Department of Energy's Joint Genome Institute in Walnut Creek, Calif. He likens the effort to those of archaeologists who deciphered hieroglyphics to learn about ancient Egyptians in detail.

The results that will be published this week are "really a big teaser," says Anne Stone, who heads

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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1 posted on 11/15/2006 8:36:14 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: blam; Holly_P

Ping


2 posted on 11/15/2006 8:36:47 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

No need to look for descendants of Neanderthals...

They are all registered democrats.


3 posted on 11/15/2006 8:38:22 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: Prost1
no, no, they're all dead -- they just vote democrat...
4 posted on 11/15/2006 8:40:39 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: verum ago

I thought they do Geico commercials?


5 posted on 11/15/2006 8:44:26 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: Graybeard58

Fascinating article---thanks!


6 posted on 11/15/2006 8:47:00 PM PST by Wormwood (Partition Iraq NOW!)
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To: Graybeard58; Pharmboy
DNA from Neanderthal leg shows distant split
7 posted on 11/15/2006 8:47:04 PM PST by blam
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To: Graybeard58

Did you post this to General/Chat or did it get moved?


8 posted on 11/15/2006 8:59:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

I posted it here, preempting a move by the mods.


9 posted on 11/15/2006 9:03:38 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58; SunkenCiv

I just hope, that when they get around to making a couple of clones from this DNA, and implanting them in host mothers, raising them up to determine their ability to speak and their general intelligence, that ...



... in twenty or thirty years, GEICO will still be in business to give them jobs.


10 posted on 11/15/2006 9:07:28 PM PST by NicknamedBob (I propose a toast! "Here's to the Drive-By Media running out of gas!")
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To: Graybeard58

YEC INTREP


11 posted on 11/15/2006 9:13:53 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: NicknamedBob

:')


12 posted on 11/15/2006 9:19:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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13 posted on 11/15/2006 9:20:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Graybeard58
Sorry to burst your bubble

Neanderthals are Humans, the 99.95% DNA match is a match, we have gotten genetically worse since the time of the flood.
The Neanderthals are the post flood humans who lived more than 200 to 400 years old.

Read Buried Alive by Jack Cuozzu. He is a dentist who has studied the Neanderthal and modern humans and has learned that the head continues to grow until we die. Which is the reason for heavy brow ridge and jawbones.

Once again I feel bad for you folks in evolution land who really wish to be related to slim in a puddle of water in an oxygen less atmosphere.
14 posted on 11/15/2006 9:35:03 PM PST by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: Creationist; blam; Holly_P
You didn't burst any of my bubbles nor am I related to Slim. I posted the article for discussion and pinged "blam" and my grand daughter because I know it is of interest to them and I enjoy and learn from the discussion.
15 posted on 11/15/2006 9:40:45 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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the classics never wear out:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

16 posted on 11/15/2006 9:41:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Graybeard58
"I posted the article for discussion and pinged "blam" and my grand daughter because I know it is of interest to them and I enjoy and learn from the discussion."

Thanks for the ping. Ignore all the rest.

17 posted on 11/15/2006 9:48:05 PM PST by blam
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To: Graybeard58
"the Neanderthals, vanished 30,000 years ago"
No need to read any further. Far from having vanished, they multiplied, are thriving and walking among the rest of us. I personally met quite a bunch and know a few. For anyone still doubting, just look at the photo of that heavyweight boxer [Valuev?} - sloping forehead, prominent brow ridges - what other kind of a skull could it be?
18 posted on 11/15/2006 10:01:36 PM PST by GSlob
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"the Neanderthals, vanished 30,000 years ago" No need to read any further. Far from having vanished, they multiplied, are thriving and walking among the rest of us. I personally met quite a bunch and know a few. For anyone still doubting, just look at the photo of that heavyweight boxer [Valuev?} - sloping forehead, prominent brow ridges - what other kind of a skull could it be?

mtDNA does not show this to be the case.

The days of paleontologists and physical anthropologists doing their Neanderthal studies only on morphology are drawing to a close.

Morphology is a limited tool, and the mtDNA evidence that is starting to accumulate is eclipsing it quickly.

To me this is both sad and encouraging. I did a lot of morphometrics in grad school, using multivariate stats. I used these techniques on skeletal populations during the last 6,000 years, but others have been using them on fossil specimens, including Neanderthal.

With the advent of mtDNA studies they are now going to a new level of analysis. As much as I love morphometrics, the critical Neanderthal questions are now being answered using DNA.

19 posted on 11/15/2006 10:14:30 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Creationist
Neanderthals are Humans, the 99.95% DNA match is a match

Humans have 3 billion base pairs in our DNA. 99.95% leaves a difference of 1.5 million base pairs. Neandertals were not human. Every bit of DNA evidence to date says one thing: "He's dead, Jim".

20 posted on 11/15/2006 10:28:16 PM PST by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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