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Tribes, Scientists Still Divided Over 'The Ancient One' [ Kennewick ]
Oregon Public Broadcasting ^ | July 27, 2006 | Elizabeth Wynne Johnson

Posted on 07/28/2006 10:18:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

John Sirois is the cultural preservation administrator for the confederated tribes of the Colville Indian Reservation... They consider the Ancient One to be an ancestor in need of peace and want him reburied. Nine years and millions of dollars in litigation haven't done much to heal old wounds. Many Native Americans still dismiss archaeologists as glorified grave robbers. And Sirois says the antipathy seems to be mutual. John Sirois: "They still don't see native people as having knowledge the way they have knowledge. It might be quaint histories that have been passed down, but it's not 'real knowledge'."

(Excerpt) Read more at publicbroadcasting.net ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; kennewick; kennewickman
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An approximation of the face of Kennewick Man prepared by Tom McClelland and James Chatters. Courtesy of James Chatters

Tribes, Scientists Still Divided Over The Ancient One

1 posted on 07/28/2006 10:18:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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This earlier story was minus the PC spin.
Some Kennewick Man Mysteries May Last To Eternity
by Tom Banse
July 26, 2006
A group of scientists prevailed in court against Northwest Indian tribes. The tribes had sued to rebury the bones... Kennewick Man lived roughly 9000 years ago. He died in middle age of unknown causes. He was around five feet-nine inches tall. And we can infer that he had friends or family. Someone had to have helped him recover from a serious spear wound. University of Michigan anthropologist C. Loring Brace... compared his measurements to a database he has of 8000 modern and ancient skulls from around the world... "It ties most closely with the Ainu of Japan." Professor Brace says the inland Northwest tribes who claim Kennewick Man have other ancestors, possibly from prehistoric China. That suggests the New World was peopled by waves of different ethnic groups. DNA testing could confirm or rule out links. But getting a good enough sample from the Kennewick bones has been impossible to date.

2 posted on 07/28/2006 10:21:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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3 posted on 07/28/2006 10:21:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
It might be quaint histories that have been passed down, but it's not 'real knowledge'."

This in no way resembles the C/E debate. Riiiight.

4 posted on 07/28/2006 10:23:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: SunkenCiv

He looks exactly like Jean Luc Picard.


5 posted on 07/28/2006 10:23:54 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: NormB

That's exactly what I was thinking... GMTA!


6 posted on 07/28/2006 10:28:15 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: NormB

It was a time travel accident, Data tried to warn him.


7 posted on 07/28/2006 10:28:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Who Were The Si-Te-Cah?
8 posted on 07/28/2006 10:29:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Science is under attack from both the Left and the Right, no surprises here.


9 posted on 07/28/2006 10:31:00 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Sam Cree

Nonsense.


10 posted on 07/28/2006 10:43:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I disagree with you, but this is probably not the right thread to discuss it. My apologies for having introduced the subject.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 11:21:53 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Sam Cree

BUMP!


12 posted on 07/28/2006 11:24:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SunkenCiv
Data tried to warn him.

{Putting on pedantic hat] Let's see...data is the plural form of datum, so how many Data were there on that series?

13 posted on 07/28/2006 2:07:29 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Sam Cree

Thanks, I appreciate that.


14 posted on 07/28/2006 4:40:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Bernard Marx

That is a tricky one, but of course, datum is hardly ever seen or heard, and data is generally considered either plural or singular. :') Commander Data had at least two twin brothers (Lore, and I forget the other one, which was introduced in Star Trek X; XI is in the works I just heard) but they didn't have his name. Data built his own child, Lal (I think the name was), but that was a daughter. And there was another Soong android, but of course, this is a pretty geeky thing to discuss in a topic about a 9,000 year old dead guy. ;')


15 posted on 07/28/2006 4:44:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Bernard Marx

...and of course, as Data said, "one is my name. The other is not." :'D


16 posted on 07/28/2006 4:45:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
, this is a pretty geeky thing to discuss in a topic about a 9,000 year old dead guy.

And, a discussion of 9,000 yo dead guys isn't geeky?

17 posted on 07/28/2006 4:47:11 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Who Was First? (Untangling America's Ancient Roots)

Spirit Cave Man, 9,400 years old is the oldest mummy ever discovered in the Americas.

18 posted on 07/28/2006 4:48:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

That suggests the New World was peopled by waves of different ethnic groups. DNA testing could confirm or rule out links. But getting a good enough sample from the Kennewick bones has been impossible to date.

Considering this court fight took over a year or more,
I wonder if DNA might have been possible to get if it
had been taken when first discovered.


19 posted on 07/28/2006 4:49:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam
Oldest North American Mummy (Spirit Cave Man)

Volume 49 Number 5, September/October 1996
by Lara J. Asher

A mummy excavated in 1940 and stored at the Nevada State Museum in Carson City was recently dated to ca. 7420 B.C., making it the oldest mummy ever discovered in North America.

Donald Tuohy and Amy Dansie of the Nevada State Museum say the mummy, a male about 45 years old, was one of several gathered from caves in Nevada's Churchill County. Its excellent state of preservation had led earlier researchers to believe it was ca. 2,000 years old. Dansie and Tuohy were astonished when radiocarbon tests of hair and bone and two mats covering the body yielded dates more than 7,000 years older.

Discovered during salvage excavations in advance of a guano-mining project, the mummy was found lying on a fur blanket dressed in a twisted skin robe with leather moccasins on its feet and a twined mat sewn around its head and shoulders. A similar mat was wrapped around the lower portion of the body and bound under the feet. Skin remained on the back and shoulders as well as a small tuft of straight dark hair, which changed to reddish-brown when exposed to light and air.

The man may have died from complications associated with a skull fracture or abscessed teeth, according to Gentry Steele of Texas A&M University, who examined the body. Fifty-eight other fiber and fur artifacts were found in the cave, including two bags containing cremated human remains. The style of weaving used in the textiles, known as diamond-plaited matting, marks the earliest stage in North American weaving technology. "People were more settled than we thought," says Dansie, noting the time it must have taken to gather the fibers and weave them into mats.

© 1996 by the Archaeological Institute of America www.archaeology.org/9609/newsbriefs/nevada.html

20 posted on 07/28/2006 4:52:38 PM PDT by blam
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