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Weekly Preppers Thread
3/16/12

Posted on 03/16/2012 10:27:34 AM PDT by Kartographer

Weekly thread to post good buys for preparedness equipment and supplies, tips and tricks or just an update on where your are in your preparedness plans.


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OK, I don't do this often, maybe I am doing it now because I've had the flu all week which caused my patience to run really short, but I am dragging out the soap box and climbing on top of it and here goes.

First those who always want to post how you are armed to the teeth and will just rob your way through SHTF, maybe you think it's funny, which I really believe some of you do and there are more than one or two which I fear really do mean it. Either way knock it off its not funny or helpful. I have sent an e-mail to Jim asking that he and the moderators consider such statements abuse and ask that they delete them. Such talk has no place on a forum such as FR. We are not a bunch of Street Thugs want to be's.

Secondly we all know OPSEC, but I want to warn you about a special dangerous type of person you will more and likely run into on your preparedness journey that of the not the common scoffers what some might call the 'grasshoppers' those who see nothing wrong and no way things can go wrong, well at least for them. The type I am talking about are the militant scoffers those that aren't content with just telling preppers how foolish they are and how worthless their prepping is, but those that even in their post you can tell that the fact that there are people preparing makes the ANGRY. These people will be some of the most dangerous people you may encounter in a SHTF situation. They will not find being proven wrong by people they consider to be fools well. They will have an almost maniacal need to punish those who have provide them wrong. They may even a twisted way blame the fact that you prep for causing the situation they find themselves in. Many of you who have been following my threads for awhile can attest that more than one of this type of person has popped up now and then. Only the wrath of a woman scorned is worse than proving to someone who things that they are some much smarter than you wrong,

OK down off the soap box, besides I needed it to store some preps in.

1 posted on 03/16/2012 10:27:40 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Jim Robinson; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ..

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 03/16/2012 10:29:02 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Is there a ping list? Am I on it? If not, I need to be!


3 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:46 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: Kartographer
Been interested in disaster-readiness since Hurricane Wilma shorted-out South Florida [my current A.O.] in 2005.

Every prepper/survivalist needs to have at least 1 skill that is practical in a post-Collapse society. My intent is to become a horse farrier/ blacksmith.

In the event that the national electrical-power grid implodes/ is attacked & destroyed, the economy that rises from the ashes of this current one will be

less reliant on internal-combustion vehicles
more reliant on large domesticated animals
more agrarian &
More primitive in industries

**rant-off**

4 posted on 03/16/2012 10:38:48 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84
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To: Kartographer

Would you please add me to the ping list?


5 posted on 03/16/2012 10:42:53 AM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to your preppers ping.

I found a great deal at Costco. Box of 10 freeze dried meals from Mountain House for $44. Looks like the packages feed at least two.

Getting more and more difficult getting into my storage room.

Thanks!


6 posted on 03/16/2012 10:43:58 AM PDT by Born Freep
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To: Kartographer

Thanks, K. Good advice. I haven’t run into any of them yet, but I don’t advertise the fact to anyone that I’m *preparing*, and certainly not “prepping for SHTF”.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 10:49:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs of Hell, anyday!)
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To: carriage_hill

We are not ‘preppers’ we are storing for an emergency. lol
My best friend was laughing about it the other day and literally said...we will just go to your house cause we know you are prepping. I told her unless they brought something to the table they wouldn’t get in and laughed. She doesn’t know how serious I am.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 10:54:24 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Kartographer
Thanks for the ping Kartorapher and for all the work you do. Thank you!

Our preps continue.

The basement as been swept, vacuumed, and cleaned.

We found some industrial strength shelving. We're trading a cord of firewood for it and it's going up this weekend.

I have secured 2 extra pairs of prescription eyeglasses and the extra outfitter series boots arrived yesterday.

I have another 600 rounds of 7.62x51 FMJBT ammo ordered which should be in any day.

Others in the group have secured a very extensive first aid kit which includes surgical instruments, airways, quick-clot, etc.

Our food stores (dry good) are really adding up fast now.

We are in the process of acquiring and seeds for the gardens.

An area that we need to address is communications. I'll hammer on that one at our next meeting in two weeks.

One thing I feel everyone should take heed of:

All our supplies, stores, and gear are just to buy time to get the gardening and trapping going. I intentionally left off hunting as I feel there won't be much left to hunt after the food supply breaks.

I continue to walk the property thinking of ways to attack our compound and ways to defeat such attacks.

9 posted on 03/16/2012 10:54:51 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: Kartographer

The grasshoppers who get ANGRY at preppers
are the crabs in the bucket, trying to pull those who are trying to escape down with all the others.

I have a lib-in-law with whom I broached the subject of a total economic collapse and what would she do. Her response was “well, we’d all be in the same boat, then, wouldn’t we”. As if that was some sort of solace.

You’ll also run into these same sort of people when you’re discussing doing ANYTHING outside of the mainstream, like, say, starting your own business. They loudly decry your plan and tell you all the ways it won’t work.

Several folks I actually do take advice from say to not only ignore those people, but AVOID them.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 10:59:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sheana

>> My best friend was laughing about it the other day and literally said...we will just go to your house cause we know you are prepping. I told her unless they brought something to the table they wouldn’t get in and laughed. She doesn’t know how serious I am. <<

I’ve warned folks too sheana. Usually, the look on my face and tone of my voice wipes the smiles from their faces.

You should be prepared for well armed looters. We are. The other night I heard one of my neighbors to the NW target shooting at night. Adds a whole new twist to our defensive plans.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 11:01:17 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: sheana

You should keep some pint water bottles and a 5 gal bucket of rice and beans.

When such freeloaders/grasshoppers come by,
scoop out a cup of rice & beans into a baggy,
hand them that and a bottle of water

and send them on their way.

(beats shooting them)


12 posted on 03/16/2012 11:01:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sheana
...we will just go to your house cause we know you are prepping.

When people say that to me I tell them that I'm more than happy to share the food but they are on their own for TP.

"It's easier to feed your neighbor than shoot them."
- Steve Harris

13 posted on 03/16/2012 11:01:38 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

FMJBT = Full Metal Jack Booted Thug?


14 posted on 03/16/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sheana; carriage_hill
"She doesn’t know how serious I am. "

Maybe she needs to know? Maybe next time you ask her which of your kids she will choose to do without because you have to feed her family. Hard I know. Did I mention I've had the flu all week.
15 posted on 03/16/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Another thing to stockpile - KNOWEDGE and SKILLS. These can be found in BOOKS.

We're also creating a library. Almost forgot that one.

16 posted on 03/16/2012 11:03:06 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: MrB
Full Metal Boat-Tail

VERY accurate round.

17 posted on 03/16/2012 11:05:13 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

I strongly recommend that you get that garden started now. Gardening is not all that hard but a lot can go wrong and when the balloon goes up it’s not the time to learn.


18 posted on 03/16/2012 11:07:46 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

The Nazis burned books. I’ve been on a quest to not only buy canning, gardening, and survival books, but the classics: Shakespeare, Locke, Cicero, etc.

I am disturbed at the growing amount of people who use Kindles as their reading source. What happens if there is no electricity? Nothing beats something that you can hold in your hands.


19 posted on 03/16/2012 11:08:06 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

High Five from another Steve Harris fan!

(http://www.solar1234.com)

Also, just a tip to pass along from a show on thesurvivalpodcast.com -

cheap prescription eyeglasses
http://www.zennioptical.com


20 posted on 03/16/2012 11:08:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
FMJBT = full metal jacket boat tail

...forgot the jacket

FMJBT actually describes the bullet seated on the case of the cartridge.

The boat-tail means the butt of the bullet is tapered to reduce wind drag and increase the ballistic coefficient.

21 posted on 03/16/2012 11:08:44 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

technology won’t go away -

and solar chargers will work for quite a while.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 11:09:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer
Starting my veggie garden this weekend - I'm working on a design to integrate a lot of it among the flower beds and planters so it just looks like inconspicuous landscaping.

Also used up the remaining 2011 FSA on first aid supplies.

23 posted on 03/16/2012 11:10:36 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Drill Thrawl

This will be our third year gardening. Yes, there much to learn and we’re still learning.

Heck, as warm as it’s been I guess I’ll be tilling up the dirt within the month.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 11:11:43 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Never thought about the classics. Good point.

Yes, no computers or any type of electronic devices will be of any use. Our books are just that...books, made of paper.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: MrB
thesurvivalpodcast.com

Listening to episode 852 as I type.

26 posted on 03/16/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: Kartographer

Great and necessary rant. Thank you.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 11:20:50 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: MrB
solar chargers will work for quite a while.

Are you talking about panels into deep cycle batteries or smaller units that directly charge rechargeable batteries? If the later, what do you use?

28 posted on 03/16/2012 11:23:21 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: MrB

CRABS! Excellent name for them!


29 posted on 03/16/2012 11:24:54 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrB

CRABS! Excellent name for them!


30 posted on 03/16/2012 11:24:54 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Drill Thrawl

I guess there’d be a bunch of ways to charge your hand-helds.

I have a palm sized solar charger for iPhone/iTouch.
Also, a car charger adapter (your car is a great battery charger).
You could also charge deep cycle batteries with solar panels, hook up the inverter & the “house” device charger, or the car charger directly to one of the 12 volts.


31 posted on 03/16/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer

How about some Tamiflu or Premavir (investigational still) in the med kit?
Hope you are on the mend and feeling better!
Thanks for the good work you do FRiend!


32 posted on 03/16/2012 11:28:50 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: NoKoolAidforMe; Kartographer
I am disturbed at the growing amount of people who use Kindles as their reading source. What happens if there is no electricity?

It's pretty easy to power small devices like that with solar. I'm certainly set up for it, and my Sony reader lasts one month on the charge.

And I have hundreds of books, mainly old google-books that relate to basic skills on it.

I even attempted to convert Kart's preparedness manual into E-pub, but the formatting conversion was a nightmare.

/johnny

33 posted on 03/16/2012 11:30:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
Check your local megamart for holiday special meats.

Most of us know that around Christmas and Thanksgiving you can get turkey cheaply but there are other holidays.

For the two weeks before St Patrick's Day my local stores run a special on corned beef. It is less then half price.

Meat is easy to can when you have a pressure cannier which I strongly suggest you get. I pack the meat into pint jars which is about a pound and pressure can.

They also generally have cabbage at very low prices. Cabbage stores well for a few months if you stuff it into a net bag and hang it. One cabbage per bag. The bags can be washed in bleach water and re-used.

34 posted on 03/16/2012 11:31:30 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: appalachian_dweller
I just did the first transplant of my tobacco plants. It's been warm here.

/johnny

35 posted on 03/16/2012 11:33:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Thanks for the advice Bear. I’ll bring that to the groups attention. We are planning on canning garden produce so I guess meats wouldn’t be any harder.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 11:36:00 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I quit smoking about a year ago, but we have a member who still smokes.

How do you start the plants? Seeds? How fast does tobacco grow?

Our smoking member is buying bulk tobacco now, but growing is a really good idea.

Thanks.

37 posted on 03/16/2012 11:39:28 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

oh. *that* kind of tobacco...


38 posted on 03/16/2012 11:42:59 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: appalachian_dweller
First time I grew it, I bought seeds off the interwebs.

They start like tomato plants, only the seeds are much, much smaller.

Usually takes 60 days from outside planting (I won't do that until after Easter and the nights are above 55F) to harvest.

Then it has to be cured.

Little bit of knowledge, and a little bit of money, are required. Plenty of info and seeds avail via the internet.

/johnny

39 posted on 03/16/2012 11:44:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I thought being ‘cured’ was what you needed after you smoked the tobacco? ;-)


40 posted on 03/16/2012 11:50:00 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

INDEED.

WELL PUT.

Sigh.


41 posted on 03/16/2012 11:51:01 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MrB
You should keep some pint water bottles and a 5 gal bucket of rice and beans. When such freeloaders/grasshoppers come by, scoop out a cup of rice & beans into a baggy, hand them that and a bottle of water and send them on their way. (beats shooting them)

Wrong,,, ammo's a lot cheaper ,, after they're gone and eaten that ,they'll be back for more and more,thinking you have plenty and something better. Then what are you gonna do?

42 posted on 03/16/2012 11:52:51 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: appalachian_dweller
I also suggest that you learn how to preserve foods without a cannier.

This is not a bad book to get hints from " Preserving Food without Freezing or Canning " but you will be better off looking on the internet for tips.

It is surprising how many things can be made shelf stable even without canning.

43 posted on 03/16/2012 11:55:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: piroque

Give them the food then show them the bullet and tell them: “This time you get rice, beans and water, next time you get this.”


44 posted on 03/16/2012 11:56:27 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

may work for a while,, one of those things we may find out someday , if it works or not.


45 posted on 03/16/2012 12:10:04 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: appalachian_dweller

We live in NY and I’ve already got peas, lettuce, garlic, and scallions in and growing.

It’s supposed to be in the 70s all week, but even if it cools off, the plants will have had a good start and can take the cold weather.


46 posted on 03/16/2012 12:14:01 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: JRandomFreeper

google books -

Can you transfer them to a handheld?


47 posted on 03/16/2012 12:14:52 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer; piroque

Oh, I changed my mind, piroque’s right.

You should just shoot people who come to your door asking for help.

/sarc


48 posted on 03/16/2012 12:17:52 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
A lot, but not all of them are available as E-pubs.

I read a lot of technical literature from late 1870s to 1920s anyway. One of the things I like about it is that I can carry literally thousands of books on hundreds of subjects in such a small package.

I do have a dead-tree library, but the last time I had to move it, it kicked my arse, and eats up most of my living room.

/johnny

49 posted on 03/16/2012 12:22:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MrB
You should just shoot people who come to your door asking for help.

Depends on whether they have a young, sturdy daughter that looks capable of pulling a plow. ;)

/johnny

50 posted on 03/16/2012 12:25:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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