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>> but you think you are really humble for saying that God elected you because He knew you'd think He was a pretty swell dude for offering you a life preserver even though you were only in the shallow end of the pool anyway, and that in your niceness, you'd accept His offer of your own "free will". >>

Well, see that's where the whole thing about not judging comes in. CALVINISTS believe they're simply created better than other people; they're good, everyone else is evil. Catholics recognize that that they have been saved by God, but through the workings of the Church. Not becuase they were created Godly while others were created evil, but because others suffered for their salvation. And they offer prayers and sacrifices so that all may be saved:
"O my Jesus, forgive us our sins; save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven ESPECIALLY those in MOST NEED of your MERCY." Pray that over and over again, and its difficult to subscribe to the heresy that your own good works were the CAUSE of your salvation.

Well, see that's where the whole thing about not judging comes in. CALVINISTS believe they're simply created better than other people; they're good, everyone else is evil.

Umm...you do know what the U in TULIP stands for, yes? Either you forgot, or you're swinging away at the Scarecrow.

Well, see that's where the whole thing about not judging comes in. CALVINISTS believe they're simply created better than other people; they're good, everyone else is evil.

Awwwww we do not believe that . Calvinists like all other men are created in original sin. No one is "created Godly" . We can do nothing to earn our salvation , we are only worthy of it because God has declared up worthy .

Not becuase they were created Godly while others were created evil, but because others suffered for their salvation. And they offer prayers and sacrifices so that all may be saved:

Only One paid the price for your salvation. The man Christ Jesus God incarnate

" Pray that over and over again, and its difficult to subscribe to the heresy that your own good works were the CAUSE of your salvation.

On one hand you say it is the work of others and then you say it is not by works..which is it??

Well, see that's where the whole thing about not judging comes in. CALVINISTS believe they're simply created better than other people; they're good, everyone else is evil.

No, that's what YOU THINK Calvinists think, but that is not what Calvinists think.

Catholics recognize that that they have been saved by God, but through the workings of the Church. Not becuase they were created Godly while others were created evil, but because others suffered for their salvation.

All who are saved are saved through Jesus Christ alone, and no other. Not the Church, not the Saints, not other Christians. "For there is no other name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved". That name is the name of Jesus Christ. "Others suffered for their salvation"? Which "others" are those?

Pray that over and over again, and its difficult to subscribe to the heresy that your own good works were the CAUSE of your salvation.

Repetitious prayers avail nothing. You will not be heard for your much speaking. No Calvinist thinks that they are saved by their own good works, and none are. Good works do not save. They count nothing toward salvation, for salvation is by faith, and that faith is the gift of God. God bestows the faith on whom He wills.