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To: Corin Stormhands
Are Catholics and Arminians Christians?

That was not my question. As for Catholics, I think there are Catholic Christians, but the system of doctrine is definitely not "rightly dividing the Word of Truth". I would say the same about Arminians. As one author put it, Arminians are saved, and that by a "felicitous inconsistency". The Arminian doctrines themselves, when taken to their conclusions, are not biblical, IMHO. That doesn't mean that an Arminian can't be saved, any more than it means that a Catholic can't be saved. People aren't saved by doctrine, they are saved by the True Christ, Jesus.

I did not say whether I entirely agreed with the article or not. I posted it for discussion. It amazes me how quickly people read into things what they want to see, and then go off half-cocked, and say things the article never said. Webber was a good example of that.

Would you not agree, though, that a person who worships a false Christ cannot be a Christian? The operative word here is "false"...

647 posted on 09/10/2003 8:31:19 PM PDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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To: nobdysfool
Would you not agree, though, that a person who worships a false Christ cannot be a Christian?

Yes, I would agree. I believe there are essentials between Calvinists, Arminians and Catholics and that many in each tradition follow the true Christ.

I would not, however, distinguish between a "Calvinist Christ" and "Arminian Christ" or a "Catholic Christ."

Who Christ is is not determined by what we call Him. Or even what we think about Him.

648 posted on 09/10/2003 8:35:09 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (9/11 Tribute www.wardsmythe.com)
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To: nobdysfool
Once a man has faith in Christ, God indwells him with the Holy Spirit and effects that faith for salvation through Christ. Even if one later falls away, the believer still belongs to the Lord.
649 posted on 09/10/2003 8:35:46 PM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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