DUH. I think a God who knows "Everything" would also know who it is that will eventually accept Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD, so of course they were "chosen" before the world began. That's not "sovereign" predistination, that's knowing ahead of time who would confess their sins to God the Father, and receive Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior.
If God Almighty is the one who "Sovereinly chooses" who will be saved, then, if He is also a "Just" God, should not condemn, or Judge any unbeliever because he had no choice but be an unbeliever because according to "your gospel", man cannot choose Jesus. So neither can God cast the unbelievers into the "Lake of Fire". BUT HE DOES! Which means your "religion" makes GOD UNJUST, UNHOLY, UNMERCIFUL, UNGRACIOUS, UNLOVING..... and I for one DO NOT BELIEVE THAT! So that means your "sovereign predistination" religion is Blasphemy, Heresy, Abomination, Lies, of the Devil, Apostacy!!
I've got two pieces of advice for you: Read Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion", and "The Synod of Dordt". Once you have assimilated and understand those two works, come back and speak with us.
Please explain to me how the omniscient God who knows all (including our innermost thoughts and inclinations), is active in this world, and desires that every individual be saved is woefully ineffective when it comes to bringing people to a saving knowledge of His Son.
Also, you might want to read up on your Calvinism a bit, perhaps from a source outside your beloved Catholic Church. You might just find that you are in fact arguing against a 50ft straw man in accusing us of ignoring God's justice for the sake of His sovereignty.
I would respectfully ask that you tone down the epithets.
That probably provides commentary on itself.
I think a God who knows "Everything" would also know who it is that will eventually accept Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD, so of course they were "chosen" before the world began. That's not "sovereign" predistination, that's knowing ahead of time who would confess their sins to God the Father, and receive Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior.
Fot the sake of argument let's say that God hasn't created anything yet. Let's say further that God has limited His creative options to two: 1) Creation "A" where Webber is saved and ksen is damned, and 2) Creation "B" where Webber is damned and ksen is saved.
God decides(dare I say God Elects?) to create Creation "A". Hasn't God decided, by the very act of choosing "A" over "B", that Webber would be saved and ksen lost?
If God Almighty is the one who "Sovereinly chooses" who will be saved, then, if He is also a "Just" God, should not condemn, or Judge any unbeliever because he had no choice but be an unbeliever because according to "your gospel", man cannot choose Jesus.
First, I assume by your term "your gospel" that you think I am a Calvinist. I am not. You can ask any of the others. I am resisting that title.
Second, if God were fair, or to use your word "Just", then we would all be going to Hell.
Third, it is not that man cannot choose God, it's that man will not choose God.
So neither can God cast the unbelievers into the "Lake of Fire". BUT HE DOES! Which means your "religion" makes GOD UNJUST, UNHOLY, UNMERCIFUL, UNGRACIOUS, UNLOVING..... and I for one DO NOT BELIEVE THAT! So that means your "sovereign predistination" religion is Blasphemy, Heresy, Abomination, Lies, of the Devil, Apostacy!!
Once again, I am not a Calvinist, although I am closer to their side of the debate.