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I have never made, nor would I dare make such a proclamation.

Many (not all) of your brethren have. Not in those exact words, but the sentiment is the same.

I don't have time to do the search right now. I may later.

Ahhh, the seagull method of attack: fly in, make a lot of noise, leave a mess and fly away.

Sad that they actually think this is the "gospel."***
Sad that you think that we say that. I have never made, nor would I dare make such a proclamation.

Fellow Calvinists?

Corin I think maybe you are hearing what you want to hear.

The Gospel is the repent and believe . That has always been clearly presented by the Calvinists to those that do not know God .

It is a doctrinal stand on the how that happens that the family hashes out between themselves . We have no expectation that the unsaved would even "get" the heart of the doctrinal differences we banter about.

Corin most of us were not Calvinists when we were saved. We know very well the difference between the Gospel and a doctrine.

Unlike most Charismatics that declare that someone that does not speak in tongues is unsaved or lacks the Holy Spirit .

We view Calvinism as a view of salvation ( the biblical one) as opposed to a "test" of ones salvation as the Pentecostals do.

Nor do we judge the holiness or the full working of the Holy Spirit in a brother by if they are "totally sanctified " ( Having all the Holy Spirit and being sinless) as the Wesleyans do .

So as Jesus once said..Let he that is without sin caste the first stone

We simply assume that the brother is stiffed necked, stubborn or unable to read what is in the Bible..*grin*