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The Novus Ordo is not being made obsolete.

Perhaps I was unclear. The NO as it has existed for the past 30 years ("do it yourself mass" as termed by Cardinal Arinze) is being made obsolete (God willing).

As I said in my previous post, those who favor the Tridentine Mass should be provided the Tridentine Mass. Let a thousand flowers bloom in the Church.

I agree that the Tridentine should be provided, but the "thousand flowers" thing is just so Cultural Revolution, don't you think?

Actually, I don't. I show disdain for those who use the Latin Mass to prove that they, somehow, are so damn much better than those of us who like a dignified Novus Ordo liturgy.

Yes, you do. The mere fact that you used to bash (and may still on occasion) anyone that expressed any sort of attachment to the Tridentine mass is proof enough for me. Indeed, that was why I first took notice of your posts. It seems that your opinion on the matter has matured and grown, however. If that's the case then Deo gratias!

After all, how could we possibly be good Catholics if we worship God in a language we can actually understand?

As I said, I usually attend a NO mass. I have no problem with it if it's celebrated with reverence. I simply find the Tridentine mass superior. If that makes me a "radical trad" in your mind, so be it.

I accuse schismatics of being in schism because they are.

You also said The RC forum now consists of the far right: schismatics, integrists, ultra-traditionalists, and even the odd sedevacantist.

Since I am Exhibit A, which category do I fall into?

Most of the schismatics say that the Novus Ordo is invalid, that it is Protestant, that it fosters dissent and even clerical abuse.

Please, aside from Ultima Ratio, who else says this? Name some names, won't you?

The Novus Ordo is going nowhere, my friend. I just hope those of you want the Tridentine Liturgy get your wish.

I don't want the NO to go anywhere. What I want is a more strict interpretation of the rubrics as laid down in the Vatican II documentation. It's the "do it yourself" mass I want gone. And I don't think I overstep my bounds when I say that most of the rest of the "trads" on FR agree with that sentiment.

You go to your Mass, I'll go to mine, and we'll meet at the parish picnic.

Right. You'd probably take a swing at me.... ;-)

I'll agree, that sadly the Novus Ordo isn't as reverential as it should be. That looks like it is going to change, and for that I am incredibly thankful. I agree the Tridetine Mass should be available more and more regularly, however, I think the most important factor is making the Novus Ordo more reverential since it will be better attended I believe than the Tridetine (for better or for worse).

On a comletely seperate note, is that correct Latin grammar in your tag line, I am a bit of a Latin student myself (struggling thru Latin 210-3, to complete my 6th year of Latin -- I darn thee Catullus). In Hoc Signo is right, well known, but should "vinces" be in the imperative "vince"?

What I want is a more strict interpretation of the rubrics as laid down in the Vatican II documentation. It's the "do it yourself" mass I want gone.

Well, I disagree here. I like the options provided by the current GIRM rubrics, which includes a variety of Eucharistic Prayers. I like the English liturgy; if somebody wants to sprinkle in some Latin on occasion, fine.

I also like the three-year cycle of Scripture readings.

I don't care for the administration of the sacrament of Baptism during Sunday liturgies, but I know which Masses to avoid where this is regularly done.