[american colleen]

"My dear people" - I don't know why, but I feel patronized.

Funny that you came up with this today as this morning I saw this picture linked to diocesereport.com:

And wondered which diocese this took place in. Yep, it was in the happenin' diocese of Bishop "Happy" Gilmore.

Also found on that site:
"Changing the Liturgy is serious business. The last time the Vatican issued changes was in 1975. In fact, some of the upcoming changes are previous changes that were never implemented. For example, when ready to receive Communion, the congregation will stand, and will stay standing until the last person receives the Eucharist. This mandate was published in 1975, but never incorporated.

Individual bishops have authority to make changes in addition to those mandated by the GIRM. For example, while there is nothing in the GIRM concerning where to place your hands during the Lord’s Prayer, Cardinal John Mahoney of Los Angeles requires that congregants do not hold hands, but instead raise them in the air, palms upward.

Is this true? Did the 1975 mandate (?) sanction us standing until every one has received???

And this is something I wonder about as well... where did the handholding and palms held up and out during the Our Father come from?

[ejo]

" Hand holding come from????

The rumor was that one day a young man wanted to meet this girl and suggested holding hands during certain rituals, the chemistry wasn't quite right so next Sunday he picked on someone else etc.etc. Just kidding, colleen, but you never know.

[Desdemona]

Counter all this with today's letter from my very orthodox archbishop in the Review that says ALL PARISHES WILL HAVE ALL CHANGES IN PLACE AND IN LINE WITH THE GIRM AS OF PENTECOST. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I just hope it happens.

I'd post it, but it won't be on the website yet.

[ninenot]

Apparently Happy Gilmore and his obsequieous poofter-litwonks have REALLY been grasping.

NO PRIEST, NO BISHOP, NO WAY, NO HOW, may add, subtract, or change ANYTHING on their own initiative/volition from what is written in the GIRM (as adapted for _____ USA, Greece, etc.) and in the Sacramentary.

(But you already knew there was a problem when the Cardinal of L.A. was called "John" "Mahoney"---right???

[WriteOn]

happy gilmore! that's killing me:-0

[Salvation]

The Our Father is a personal prayer between oneself and his or her Father in Heaven. It is a vertical prayer straight to God, while I do not necessarily agree with raising my hands I have often help them outward palms up to (as in a gesture to receive God's messages into the palms of my hands).

The Our Father is not a community prayer so holding hands within the community is not necessary.

[huskyboy]

Individual bishops have authority to make changes in addition to those mandated by the GIRM. For example, while there is nothing in the GIRM concerning where to place your hands during the Lord’s Prayer, Cardinal John Mahoney of Los Angeles requires that congregants do not hold hands, but instead raise them in the air, palms upward.

Is this true? Did the 1975 mandate (?) sanction us standing until every one has received???

And this is something I wonder about as well... where did the handholding and palms held up and out during the Our Father come from?

Maybe Mahoney is a charismatic.

This is scary, folks. When they removed the kneelers, people did not rise up. When they removed the altar and hid the tabernacle, people did not rise up. When people were being refused Communion (well, I don't know what else to call it for a non-Mass like the novus ordo), some people protested, but not much happened. Not many said much apparently when a simulated service featured women attempting to (and I do say, "attempting to") consecrate bread and wine.

Now, this is where we can make the connection with the heresy of modernism. The modernists say that the service (and consequently, the faith) should change with the times. . . keepin' it real and up to date, so to speak. On other hand, traditionalists believe and know that because Mass and the Catholic faith came from God, neither can be changed.

[kstewskis]

And this is something I wonder about as well... where did the handholding and palms held up and out during the Our Father come from?

It was explained to me, by a priest at a retreat a couple of years ago, that this was a long ago traditional way to pray.

Personally, I like it. Unless I am with a family member, I don't really care to hold hands and do the "kum-by-ya" thing trying to reach and grasp for one another across the ailes...it gets pretty distracting.

And it's kinda practical during cold season too :)