[xzins]

As I've come to understand calvinism after speaking with open calvinists, I understand that God has intentionally planned everything. That is, if the plan were a document that existed right before creation occurred, then there would be nothing that has EVER happened that would not be in that planning document. Satan's rebellion, Adam's sin, Christ's crucifixion.

[Corin Stormhands]

That is, if the plan were a document that existed right before creation occurred, then there would be nothing that has EVER happened that would not be in that planning document. Satan's rebellion, Adam's sin, Christ's crucifixion.

That's my understanding of Calvinism as well. And I simply can't read that any other way than to believe that it means God decides what sins people will commit and then causes them to commit.

[RnMomof7]

As I've come to understand calvinism after speaking with open calvinists, I understand that God has intentionally planned everything. That is, if the plan were a document that existed right before creation occurred, then there would be nothing that has EVER happened that would not be in that planning document. Satan's rebellion, Adam's sin, Christ's crucifixion.

Xzins do you believe that God did not foreknow the fall? If He did ..did He make a plan to remedy it? When ?

One of the constants I see here on FR is a refusal to believe that God has any authority here on this globe..Everything is an accident outside of Gods control..

I am beginning to think that Arminians are diests at heart

[Frumanchu]

I would cautiously agree with that. The analogy could easily be pushed to far in terms of "authorship" and since the authorship of sin is a primary point in this argument, I'd tend to shy away from that analogy. I would submit however that your analogy could be applied equally to Arminianism unless you maintain that God is reactive within our time frame instead of pro-active from outside it. It seems to me the 'document' is nothing more than a snapshot reference of God's omniscience, in which case I would agree that nothing has EVER happened outside God's omniscience.