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To: RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration
God desires that no one sin, yet He made plans for its occurrence. In other words, it is part of the plan of God. If it weren't, it would not have occurred.

Seems like "The Calvinist Corner" (whoever the heck they are) also agrees that God makes people sin.

284 posted on 03/16/2003 6:18:27 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Liberate Iraq. Fumigate France.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Seems like "The Calvinist Corner" (whoever the heck they are) also agrees that God makes people sin.

God makes no one sin, Corin. While God's Plan takes sin into account as a necessary part of it, God did not cause it. If it were not part of God's Plan, it wouldn't have happened, plain and simple. God's Will is that you not sin. Man's will is to sin. Adam made that choice, and we're all victims of his bad choice. But Adam's sin did not take God by surprise. God knew that Adam would sin. That in no way makes God the author of sin, as you keep trying to accuse Calvinists falsely of teaching and believing. You claim to have sat under Calvinist teaching for a time. Consider that it may not have been taught by a qualified or skilled teacher, and that would explain why you obviously don't understand Calvinist teaching, despite our repeated attempts to explain it. You really do not understand it. Of course, in order to be taught, one must have a teachable spirit and an open mind, neither of which you have displayed on this thread. That is not an attempt to insult you, it is a statement of fact which can be seen by all who have participated here. I apologize in advance if that offends you, as it wasn't meant to do so.

I do not usually wear the label of Calvinist, and some on these threads would say I'm a 4/5th Calvinist. I prefer to be labeled as a Christian who loves the Lord and serves Him, but if it makes you feel better to call me a Calvinist, then I'll take the label and wear it. That's not worth arguing or striving over. But I will vigorously stand in defense of the Word of God against all who would twist, distort, or corrupt its truth, no matter how right they may think they are. Not because God needs me to defend it (He doesn't), but because in so doing, I grow, I learn, and I understand better the God whom I serve, and whose I am. I retain an open mind, an open heart, and a spirit willing to be taught. As long as I do that, God will not allow me to be led into error, but into truth. That's the faith I have in Him, and in His Word.

285 posted on 03/16/2003 11:03:42 PM PST by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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To: Corin Stormhands
"God desires that no one sin, yet He made plans for its occurrence. In other words, it is part of the plan of God. If it weren't, it would not have occurred. "
Seems like "The Calvinist Corner" (whoever the heck they are) also agrees that God makes people sin.

That is not what that says corin..Would you rather that God not foreknow sin?

298 posted on 03/17/2003 7:08:45 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Corin Stormhands; RnMomof7
God desires that no one sin, yet He made plans for its occurrence. In other words, it is part of the plan of God. If it weren't, it would not have occurred.

It sounds like a permissive will since something is happening that God does not desire.

Now, can someone do something that is against God's desire?

If that is the case, then someone could resist God's will to be saved, even though God desires all to be saved (2Pet.3:9)

358 posted on 03/19/2003 4:38:47 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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