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Legal Abortion Advocate to Speak at Jesuit Retreat House Fundraiser
http://amywelborn.blogspot.com/ ^ | January 25, 2003

Posted on 01/25/2003 8:14:12 AM PST by Akron Al

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To: Akron Al; Diago
Is this the same Jesuit Retreat House mentioned in a thread that Diago posted on April 26, 2002?
Retreat for Gay and Lesbian Catholics
September 27-29, 2002
Jesuit Retreat House, Parma

61 posted on 01/27/2003 8:18:15 AM PST by eastsider
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To: jobim
Why is the war starting bad news? The sooner we are rid of Hussien the better off we are.
62 posted on 01/27/2003 9:40:54 AM PST by ACAC
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To: EODGUY
the lack of "hands-on" (almost parental) guidance that has not, in too many instances, been provided to priests and members of religious orders by bishops

You're close. How about paternal? Yesterday I heard a great sermon about the lack of true fatherhood in the priesthood. This priest held no punches. He said the pre-Vatican II system went too far in the exercise of authority by pastors and bishops (and fathers) and the post-Vatican II system has gone too far in the opposite direction. I'm sure he riled many on both sides. Oh well...

63 posted on 01/27/2003 10:10:07 AM PST by ELS
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To: eastsider; Polycarp; Siobhan; Akron Al
Nice catch, eastsider. Yes indeed that's the same Jesuit Retreat House. And may explain a lot. I found this Regina Brett article using google.


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Retreat for Gay and Lesbian Catholics
September 27-29, 2002
Jesuit Retreat House, Parma

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The straight story on gay unions
Regina Brett,
Cleveland Plain Dealer

Hallelujah. It's about time somebody did it.

On Monday, Cleveland Heights became the first city in Ohio to offer medical benefits to same-sex couples. But if the Religious Wrong gets its way, the decision could be reversed. Residents who oppose the benefits vow to circulate petitions to get the issue on the ballot for a vote.

It's the same old argument: Giving gays and lesbians equal rights is an attack on marriage.

News flash: Gays aren't destroying marriage and family values - heterosexuals are.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to abandon their pregnant girlfriends.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to shirk child support payments.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to ignore the children they father.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to beat their wives.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to cheat on their spouses.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to give birth to crack babies.

Gays don't cause heterosexuals to neglect and abuse their children.

You don't strengthen marriage by banning gay unions any more than you strengthen families by banning medical benefits for gay partners. If you want to fix
marriage, start with heterosexual couples, since homosexuals are not legally allowed to marry in this
country.

But, no, the opposition to medical benefits has already rallied for a fight. It opposes the ordinance for
reasons like . . .

It's an enormous price tag because gays are high health
risks: Health insurance for partners of lesbian and gay
employees will cost each Cleveland Heights resident about
$1 a year, according to Mayor Ed Kelley. He doesn't expect more than a handful to take advantage of the benefits. As for the worry about the high cost of AIDS, should women not be covered because they might get breast cancer or have a high-risk pregnancy? Should fat people not be covered because they have heart attacks and strokes?

Homosexuals don't want special rights and privileges: They simply want the same rights and privileges heterosexuals have.

Since our society does not allow them to marry, they cannot get spousal benefits. That's why they seek domestic partner benefits.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for something they believe is immoral: Our tax dollars go to make bombs that kill innocent people and support a legal system that executes people. Doesn't that violate the commandment "Thou
shalt not kill?"

We don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle: What two
consenting adults do in private is no one else's business.
Heterosexual couples also engage in, shall we ay, "creative" sex, but no one tries to legislate against
that. What you do in your bedroom is your business. What others do in theirs is not.

We don't want to normalize homosexuality: Homosexuality is
normal for homosexuals. Get to know and spend time with gays and lesbians and you might understand that.

The Bible forbids homosexual activity: The Bible also tells us to stone our rebellious children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21). Exodus gives instructions on how
to sell our daughters and insists that any
one who curses a parent be killed. Play Bible bingo long
enough and you can justify any injustice.

Mayor Kelley, a devout Catholic who reads the Bible with his children, found no conflict
64 posted on 01/27/2003 3:39:00 PM PST by Diago
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To: ELS
You are indeed blessed to hear such a sermon. God bless your priest, and may God raise up a million more just like him.
65 posted on 01/27/2003 4:02:47 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Kyrie eleison. +)
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To: *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; ...
Here are various responses and replies on this ongoing debate:

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----- Original Message -----
From: Rjssj@aol.com
To: bjkdig@floodcity.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: Response

Dear Dr. Kopp:

I received your e-mail. I have asked the JRH director to respond to all e-mails regarding the speaking event with a text that also expresses my position on this event.

Robert Scullin, S.J.
rjssj@aol.com

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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: JRH program

Dear Dr. Kopp,

For your information, Regina Brett has been invited to speak at Jesuit Retreat House on integrating spirituality and daily life and not on matters dealing with Church teaching on moral issues. Jesuit Retreat House's invitation to her to speak on this specific topic implies no endorsement on the the part of the retreat house or the Detroit Province of the Society of Jesus of any position contrary to Church teaching. Church teaching on specific moral issues is simply not the focus of this event. Those who make a different assumption are free to do so, of course. But her speaking at JRH on retreats and everyday spirituality implies no endorsement of any position contrary to Church teaching.

Fr. Clem Metzger, SJ
JRH Director

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CC: pburnsjrh@att.net; c.metzgersj@att.net; jrhcleve@att.net; rjssj@aol.com; ljurcak@dioceseofcleveland.org; eestok@dioceseofcleveland.org ----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Brian Kopp
To: pburnsjrh@att.net
Cc: Fr. Ed Estok
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: JRH program

Dear Mr. Burns,

Regina Brett has a history of public statements wholly at odds with Church moral teachings. Her dissenting comments noted in this particular column, i.e.,

* Don't tell us to oppose sex education. We should try everything to prevent unplanned pregnancies, including teaching abstinence and birth control.
* Don't lump pregnancies from rape and incest with those who choose abortion out of convenience or use it as birth control.
* Don't tell us you are proudly pro-life but refuse to discuss stem-cell research that could save existing lives. * Don't tell us we should make every abortion illegal, even when a mother's life is in jeopardy. Is it pro-life to let a pregnant woman die?
* Don't tell us that a full human being begins at conception. It's not that simple, when we have embryos conceived in petri dishes and frozen for years for infertile couples. .
* Tell us what you will do to make sure all insurance companies cover birth control.

simply cannot be spun or explained away by an appeal to St. Ignatius' Spiritual Exercises.

Your attempt at doing so is disingenuous at best. This speaker is a known vocal public dissenter on the Church's teachings on sex education, abortion, and birth control.

It is a grave scandal in having her speak at a Catholic retreat, regardless of the subject matter on which she is speaking there.

Pope John Paul II has made it quite clear that the roots of the present crisis in our Church is an acceptance of and fostering of dissent, especially in moral theology.

Regina Brett's views on sex education, abortion, and birth control typify the dissent to which our Holy Father refers.

I'd like to know if you are planning to cancel Ms. Brett's talk now that I have made you aware of her various public opinions which are supportive of the Culture of Death and stand in direct opposition to Church teaching.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this important matter. I await your response.

In Christ,
Dr. Brian J. Kopp
303 Budfield St.
Johnstown PA 15904

Vice President, Catholic Family Association of America, http://www.cathfam.org/
Officer of the Board, The Polycarp Research Institute, http://www.polycarp.org/
Board Member, Counselors for Life
Board Member, Lay Stewardship
Former Trustee at Large, Mom's House Inc. National Headquarters, http://www.momshouse.org/johnstownhq.html
Instructor, Natural Family Planning of the Alleghenies
Freelance writer, with articles published in New Oxford Review, The Wanderer, Podiatry Today, various Catholic internet websites, as well as local newspapers and diocesan Catholic papers, some of which are linked here: http://www.marysremnant.org/Friends/DBK/index.html
Podiatric Physician/surgeon, and homeschooling dad of three.

*****(

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: re: JRH program

Dear Dr. Koop,

Thank you for contacting me about your concern that Regina Brett has been asked to speak at JRH. We have asked Ms. Brett to speak about her experience of the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius and her efforts to live her spirituality in her daily life. We have known her for many years as a practitioner of the Spiritual Exercises. Her presentation is part of a series of occasional talks by lay men and women from many walks of professional life. All are asked to speak about the same topic. We ask your prayers that this day and the entire series will be helpful and challenging to all who participate.

As for your concern that she is writing things contrary to the teaching of the Church, perhaps it is pertintent for all of us to reflect on the "Presupposition" the St. Ignatius himself puts at the beginning of his Spiritual Exercises:

PRESUPPOSITION
"That both the giver and maker of the spiritual Exercises may be of greater help and benefit to each other, it should be presupposed that every good Christian ought to be more eager to put a good interpretation on a neighbor's statement than to condemn it. Further, if we cannot interpret it favorably, one should ask how the other means it. If that meaning is wrong, one should correct the person with love; and if this is not enough, one should search out every appropriate means through which, by understanding the statement in a good way, it may be saved."

Thank you for your concern,

Patrick W. Burns
Development Director
Jesuit Retreat House

66 posted on 01/28/2003 10:20:08 AM PST by Polycarp ("you can judge a man's character by the quality of his bathroom reading materials"...unknown)
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To: Akron Al
wrt your e-mail exchange:

Perhaps he would have agreed to have Hitler discuss the VW, or Castro the cigar.
No harm there!
67 posted on 01/28/2003 11:13:10 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Polycarp
My guess is that St. Ignatius would have thrown Ms. Brett, as an unrepentant and obstinate dissenter, out of the retreat----bodily.
68 posted on 01/28/2003 11:13:38 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Your attempt at doing so is disingenuous at best. This speaker is a known vocal public dissenter on the Church's teachings on sex education, abortion, and birth control.

According to Diago's post above, she's also ardently pro-homosexual.

I'm curious to see how this works out. A major Freep may be in order here.
69 posted on 01/28/2003 11:16:22 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
My guess is that St. Ignatius would have thrown Ms. Brett, as an unrepentant and obstinate dissenter, out of the retreat----bodily.

BUMP
70 posted on 01/28/2003 11:16:37 AM PST by Desdemona (Spanish heritage and all.)
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To: Polycarp
"Doctrinal Note on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life,"

"It also criticized Catholic organizations and publications in some countries for taking 'ambiguous or incorrect' stands. Such bodies could not support political forces or movements with positions contrary to the teaching of the Church on ethical questions, the document said"

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=2056774
71 posted on 01/28/2003 11:20:56 AM PST by victim soul
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To: Polycarp
Jesuit Retreat House's invitation to her to speak on this specific topic implies no endorsement on the the part of the retreat house or the Detroit Province of the Society of Jesus of any position contrary to Church teaching. Church teaching on specific moral issues is simply not the focus of this event. Those who make a different assumption are free to do so, of course.

This is such a cop-out. The fact that they invite such a person and allow them to speak to a Catholic audience, implies acceptance. It is scandalous. And it's not as if she's only going to talk about "spiritual exercises" without mentioning her agenda at all. Do they ever do that?

Since they seem to be hell-bent on having her speak, it's too bad we can't have a spy in the audience.

St. Jean de Brebeuf, pray for the Society of Jesus!
St. Isaac Jogues, pray for the Society of Jesus!
St. Rene Goupil, pray for the Society of Jesus!
Fr. Peter de Smet, pray for the Society of Jesus!
72 posted on 01/28/2003 11:25:23 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
It is scandalous

Indeed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Brian Kopp"
To: pburnsjrh@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: JRH program

Dear Fr. Metzger,

An individual who dissents from the Church on abortion, contraception, sex ed, and homosexuality (see below), could not possibly have either a mature integrated personality nor a faithful, cohesive spirituality, Ignatian or otherwise. One cannot call oneself "Catholic" when they are diametrically opposed to basic tenents of Catholic moral theology, as our Pope recently pointed out.

Your response is inadequate.

Having this individual speak at your retreat house is indeed an endorsement of her dissent from the Church on abortion, contraception, sex ed, and homosexuality. One does not grant the podium to such unless one is tolerant of or in agreement with such dissent.

I suggest you reconsider this ringing endorsement of a vocal public proponent of the Culture of Death, especially abortion, this being the 30th anniversary of Roe versus Wade.

Sincerely,
Dr. Kopp

73 posted on 01/28/2003 11:42:15 AM PST by Polycarp ("you can judge a man's character by the quality of his bathroom reading materials"...unknown)
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To: victim soul
Thanks. I forwarded that excerpt to Fr Metzger.
74 posted on 01/28/2003 11:45:05 AM PST by Polycarp ("you can judge a man's character by the quality of his bathroom reading materials"...unknown)
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To: Antoninus
She's ardently pro-homosexual too! This is sickening.
75 posted on 01/28/2003 11:46:50 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Polycarp
Great. Keep up the good work! What can I do to help?
76 posted on 01/28/2003 11:51:07 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Polycarp
Click here for The Straight Story on Gay Unions by Regina Brett.
77 posted on 01/28/2003 11:55:37 AM PST by NYer (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: Kryptonite
What can I do to help?

I doubt they will cancel the speaker, but at least we can write them to voice our outrage at this scandal.

pburnsjrh@att.net; c.metzgersj@att.net; jrhcleve@att.net; rjssj@aol.com; ljurcak@dioceseofcleveland.org; eestok@dioceseofcleveland.org

78 posted on 01/28/2003 12:51:09 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Polycarp, I just sent a letter, which follows. For you other Catholic warriors, while you need not be as long-winded as I was, a short email to these guys could turn up the heat. Let's fight for the faith!

"Dear Father Metzger:

"I learned that the Jesuit Retreat House has invited Regina Brett to speak on February 2, 2003 after the Magis Mass and Brunch. This is an outrage and an affront to the Catholic Faith. Ms. Brett has publicly advocated radical doctrines that are directly contrary to the Church, particularly with regard to homosexuality and abortion. In one article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer addressing homosexual “marriage,” Ms.Brett directly took issue with the Church’s teaching on the disordered nature of homosexual actions and essentially mocked the Book of Exodus as unjust. Moreover, Ms. Brett’s musings on abortion are particularly offensive, as she shows no regard for the innocent human life so cruelly destroyed in the name of “choice.”

"Ms. Brett is free to express her opinions, but to afford her the podium at a Jesuit institution is appalling. It is no answer to say that Ms. Brett will not be spouting her opinions on morals; her body of professional work shows that she is opposed to basic Catholic moral tenets, most starkly illustrated by her public pronouncements on a woman’s “right” to kill her unborn child in utero. Clearly, Ms. Brett’s public positions should preclude any thinking Catholic organization from giving her a forum. Would you let a public racist like David Duke speak at the Jesuit Retreat House, even if the subject was completely unrelated to racial issues? Of course not, because Duke’s offensive views on race are contrary to Catholic teachings. You wouldn’t let David Duke speak about his golf game at the Jesuit Retreat House. So why is the virulently pro-abortion columnist Regina Brett invited to speak at the Jesuit Retreat House?

"You should be ashamed of yourself, Father. In the name of Saint Ignatius and all the great Jesuit saints, martyrs, and priests, what are you thinking?

Very truly yours, [D-Back]"

80 posted on 01/28/2003 1:40:24 PM PST by d-back
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