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To: Illbay
 
when they believe you can live a life of complete debauchery, then have a "sincere" repentence in the moment of your death, mumble a few platitudinous phrases, and enjoy the company of the Saints through eternity.
 
Translation: Jesus is a LIAR!

KJV Matthew 20:1-16
 
 1.  For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
 2.  And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
 3.  And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
 4.  And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
 5.  Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
 6.  And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
 7.  They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
 8.  So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
 9.  And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
 10.  But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
 11.  And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
 12.  Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
 13.  But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
 14.  Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
 15.  Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
 16.  So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
 
 
KJV Luke 23:39-43
 39.  And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
 40.  But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
 41.  And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
 42.  And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
 43.  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


372 posted on 01/29/2003 9:02:38 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Elsie
In this case, you simply have no concept what you're talking about. This is why modern revelation is so essential, for the scriptures are not for personal interpretation.

"Paradise" is not heaven. Rather, it is a place where spirits go to await final judgement. How "Chri$tian$" can simultaneously believe in the day of Judgement, and in "instant judgement" (as in the thief on the cross) is but another example of the mass of confusion you're forced to swallow because of hundreds of years of benighted orthodoxy.

In short, Christ NEVER told the thief that He was to have "eternal life" (that is, life eternal in the place were His Father dwells) but that he would be with Christ in the place of the Spirits, when "also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" (Chri$tian$ ignore that scripture; they can't understand it, so they resort to the subset of the Bible called their silly "orthodoxy") "...Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." [1 Peter 3:19-20).

In short it isn't that Christ was a liar, but that you and most of the rest of Chri$tendom don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. In your case and the case of millions of other darkened minds, it is hell.

381 posted on 01/30/2003 3:36:38 AM PST by Illbay
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