[Grig]

"It is lawful for a man to have only one wife, unless the Lord commands otherwise"

Really have a hard time getting that through your head, don't you.

"(or maybe just 47 years!)"

No, we still belive that it is lawful for a man to have only one wife, unless the Lord commands otherwise. At this time the Lord does not command otherwise, so we continue to obey.

"Abraham was commanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not kill. (long after this time...) "

So you think murder was OK with God back then? Or do you think God just forgot to tell anyone not to do it until Moses? Before you answer, you might want to check what Noah was preaching in Gen 9:6.

"and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, (no it wasn't!!! read Hebrews 11th chapter!!) "

I see nothing in that chapter that says it was accounted as sin to him. If you want to assume that Heb 11 lists every righteous action of his life, then you must think he sure didn't do much all his long life.

As for OD1, you forgot to bold "I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write [ie: OD1]."

"This would have sure been nice if GOD had treated the JEWS the same way!"

So, what prophet of God do you think mislead the Jews?

"What part of "Judge for yourself" do YOU fail to understand?"

No part at all, that quote is part of the comments made ABOUT the declaration, not the declaration itself. He is trying to get the Saints to understand why God revealed the declaration rather than called for open civil disobedience. What part of "I wrote what the Lord told me to write" don't you get?

[Elsie]

No part at all, that quote is part of the comments made ABOUT the declaration, not the declaration itself. He is trying to get the Saints to understand why God revealed the declaration rather than called for open civil disobedience. What part of "I wrote what the Lord told me to write" don't you get?

 

This part!-->

 

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue--to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

 

As ANYONE can see, this is ALL ONE BIG CHUNK OF TEXT; starting with GOD ASKING and ending with MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND.  It that to difficult to understand??

 

To my knowledge, the mind making up line HAS NOT BEEN OVERRULED IN ANY of the LDS' organizational writings.  Each member STILL has to make up their mind, and that is what the renegade Mormon's have done.

"I shall not answer it"; What kind of a 'leader' is this anyway?!