[editor-surveyor]

"But, how does he, in his fallen state, come to the correct understanding of God's nature?" Jean

"He comes to a correct understanding of God's nature by the hearing of God's Word (Ro 10:13-17)." ksen

Yes, when God's elect hear his word they are drawn to him, but when the non-elect hear the word it is foolishness to them.

1Cr 2:14
" But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned."

It's all there in the word ksen; you're just not receiving it.

[ksen]

When I Cor 2:14 talks about "the things of the Spirit of God" isn't it referring back to verse 10 which is talking about the "deep things of God"?

If so, does the Gospel qualify as "deep things", or IOW is the Gospel milk or meat? I believe the Gospel would qualify as milk and the other doctrines(i.e. the Church, the Trinity) are meat and are not understood until a man is born again and given the mind of Christ.

I guess one of my main objections is that I've had Calvinists tell me that you must be regenerated before you can be born again, but being born again IS being regenerated. So in effect they are saying you must be born again before you can be born again.

[gal220]

Let the words of Jesus land on you. Jesus makes a powerful statement in John 10 when he is talking about being the door of the sheep. There was much division about what he was saying. Look at John 10:25-27.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. vs 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. vs 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

What is Jesus telling those that do not believe?