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To: ponyespresso; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; the_doc
Let me just jump in here quickly, and see if I can suppose why OPie states that the additional command of not to touch came from Adam, and was not an invention of Eve.

Could it be that this "imperfect worship" on the part of Adam is required to have Adam as the first transgressor (a point made stronly and often by the Apostle Paul) rather than Eve. The first Adam sinned, the second Adam (Christ) overcame sin.

664 posted on 01/30/2003 6:25:07 AM PST by Jerry_M (I'm a filthy rotten sinner, saved by God's Grace.)
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To: Jerry_M
Good point.
666 posted on 01/30/2003 6:40:51 AM PST by xzins
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To: Jerry_M
 

NIV Genesis 2:15-23
 15.  The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
 16.  And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
 17.  but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die
."
 18.  The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
 19.  Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
 20.  So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.   But for Adam  no suitable helper was found.
 21.  So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
 22.  Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
 23.  The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called `woman, ' for she was taken out of man."
 
Timewise, Eve wasn't created when Adam got the command from GOD.  She was not present to hear it, that is why Satan was able to create doubt.
 
NIV Genesis 3:1
 1.  Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
 
She was deceived: Adam sinned.
 

670 posted on 01/30/2003 6:56:23 AM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Jerry_M; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; RnMomof7; CCWoody; Matchett-PI
It seems to me that a Sola Scriptura position should take respectful note of the fact that we have no information as to where she got the "Don't even touch it!" idea.

I am not currently sure where we should go with that, but I do think we need to make the divinely-inspired lack of information prominent in our lapsarian doctrine somehow.

It seems to me that while we are talking about the Fall--which was a crime involving lack of respect for what God said and what God did not say--we could wind up screwing up ROYALLY.

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I also think that the whole matter has to be tied into what Paul says in the New Testament concerning the "touch not, taste not" mentality of fallen sinners.

I also think that we need to tie it into the fact that Paul uses the circumstances of what happened in the Fall as an argument that women are not to be pastors.

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I am going to have to sit this one out.

702 posted on 01/30/2003 9:34:14 AM PST by the_doc
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