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1 posted on 01/17/2003 1:55:57 PM PST by Polycarp
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 1:56:50 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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3 posted on 01/17/2003 1:59:22 PM PST by Polycarp (Satan's Trifecta: 1) Contraception/Sterilization, 2) Abortion/Euthanasia, and 3) Homosexuality)
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4 posted on 01/17/2003 1:59:24 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Polycarp
The full text of the "Doctrinal Note on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life" can be found here.
5 posted on 01/17/2003 2:01:09 PM PST by Polycarp (Satan's Trifecta: 1) Contraception/Sterilization, 2) Abortion/Euthanasia, and 3) Homosexuality)
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BUMP for our good friends, neighbors and family...the Catholics!
6 posted on 01/17/2003 2:05:45 PM PST by Caipirabob (These tag lines are gonna get me in big trouble soon, I just know it!)
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To: Polycarp
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7 posted on 01/17/2003 2:06:58 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Polycarp
I am not a ROMAN catholic... but this sounds rather good for every one of us.
My question to you, Roman Catholic brother... is "Are there any kind of teeth in this?"

I am not totally plussed with the "we will handle this in our own way according to the magisterium" response we have been hearing on other issues. I wish we could expect to see some public EXCOMMUNICATION of laity, and DEFROCKING (as we protestants call it in some circles) of KILLER PRIESTS posing as Catholics...

Of course, I am not holding my breath, but maybe, JUST maybe... the Vatican is REALLY growing some teeth over the moral issues of it's flock... particularly the wolves, who are merely POSING as Christians/Catholics...

It will be interesting to see the "fallout" from this announcement amongst what you call your "apostate" crowd...

I am thankful that John Paul saw fit to put this out for ALL of us to consider... Fact is, Jesus may not be pleased with folks who claim to love him, while killing innocents, for political gain... and moral indecency...

Good stuff... hope it impacts, FAST and HARD...

10 posted on 01/17/2003 2:08:25 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: Polycarp
If they excommunicate all of the CINO's, Polycarp, it will just be you and the pope left (and I'm not sure about him).
11 posted on 01/17/2003 2:11:13 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Polycarp
You mean Catholic politicians might actually have to pay attention to that whole "Thou Shalt Not Steal" thingy?

That would be refreshing indeed.

L

12 posted on 01/17/2003 2:11:50 PM PST by Lurker (One is either free or not free.)
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To: Polycarp
I'm not Catholic, but I understand the power of one voice speaking for many. And especially when that voice speaks God's truths.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

13 posted on 01/17/2003 2:14:54 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Polycarp
I know the Pope is a great guy and all. But I have trouble remembering a time when people actually did what the Pope recommends on anything.

Including Catholics.

17 posted on 01/17/2003 2:28:16 PM PST by toast
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the information and the link...
31 posted on 01/17/2003 6:29:43 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: Polycarp
I signed the petition. It wouldn't let me sign until I filled in my Diocese. I don't know what the Diocese is around here. I put earth and it accepted it. LOL!

I'll pray for you and this cause.

34 posted on 01/17/2003 7:59:58 PM PST by Joshua
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To: Polycarp
Great article, great news. This is something we should all get behind.

This country was founded on Christian values. D. James Kennedy wrote a book "What If Jesus Had Never Been Born", which gives great quantity of statements proving beyond any doubt what this country was founded on.

In 1831 France sent a man named Alexis de Tocquelille to America to find out why there was so little crime and so few prisons. Ultimately, he reported "America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great".

Well, we have plenty of prisons now. We have to fight to say the name Jesus, unless we are cussing. Our great organization, the ACLU, changed from protecting those who's rights were being wronged, into an organization who fights for men who feel it's their right to have sex with boys, and threaten to sue any school district who wants to include the word Christmas in their holiday (Holy day) programs.

All politicians that claim a religious faith should be held accountable on the abortion issue. All of their arguements fail when they are forced to answer the question "Just what is a fetus?"

It's not about privacy, because we do not allow anyone to kill their infant in the privacy of their home.
It's not about poverty, because we do not allow anyone to kill their infant if they decide they don't have enough money.

The "fetus" is not a thing, but a stage of life.
Fetus, infant, toddler, child, teenager, young adult, adult, and senior.

Let's hold their feet to the fire, making sure they know that we know what they are doing.....pandering to the abortion mill special intrest.

Let's make it a mission,

God bless.
36 posted on 01/17/2003 8:05:11 PM PST by KennyV
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38 posted on 01/18/2003 12:02:30 AM PST by .45MAN (Less Law more Justice)
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To: Polycarp
In his polite rejection of the Vatican's statement, Kerry has explained that to "'represent all the people' he can't be bound by church doctrine."

And so we see the naked truth of democracy laid bare: vox populi, vox dei -- in any form of representative government, the voice of the people is the voice of God. Kerry is right -- under our system of government, if there is a conflict between the will of the people and the Will of God, the Will of the People trumps all.

This is why Christian monarchy is the best form of governent. A king is not beholden to the popular will. A king stands above politics, freeing the nation from the thrall of the whims of the masses. A pious king, consecrated to God, acts as the guardian of the dignity and rights of the human person guaranteed by the natural law -- rights which become in time subject to the poltical process when guaranteed by nothing more than paper.

It is in cases such as the abortion debate that a form of authority that transcends politics becomes most needed. Acting in his capacity as supre judge, a king can simply decree, "human life begins at the instant of natural conception", and the matter is settled. Those who disagree are welcome to express their disagreement peaceably, but no more; those who trangress the will of the sovereign are counted traitors, subject to the penalty of law.

In every case, represetative government tends towards mob rule. In time, when the Mob discovers it can vote itself supreme power, government ceases to be the God-ordained keeper of the peace and provider of justice it should properly be, and becomes a tool by which the Mob (and the manipulators who control it) reward and punish as they see fit. Bound by no mere church doctrine, those with power shift their allegiance to the doctrines of Mammon -- and history reveals the result.

Any nation not founded upon natural law is by definition evil. Any culture that does not recognize God as the Supreme Authority is forced to recognize only the desires of the human heart as supreme. Once a nation slips the bounds of power instituted by God and becomes a god unto itself, ruin soon follows.

If one's status as a human being is defined by mere words, it can be taken away by mere words. Only by dedication to the laws of God can a government hope to remain sane.

41 posted on 01/19/2003 7:29:41 PM PST by B-Chan (Blessed Father Mario D'Aviano, Defender of the West, Pray For Us)
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To: Polycarp
Signed your petition bump.
43 posted on 01/19/2003 7:54:16 PM PST by katnip (Congrats Pinewood Derby Champ!)
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