Posted on 12/30/2002 9:39:02 AM PST by boromeo
The facts are that the Kinsey studies done on sexuality are difficult to validate or refute for people coming from our position since original research in the attempt would definitely be child abuse. Because of this,the reticence to perform sexual experimentation to prove or disprove whatever the other side is presenting as fact,we will always have to rely on the kind of data Dr. Reissman has presented. I believe it is irrefutable and that she has presented data to support her contentions that the studies were flawed due to the abnormal population from which the data was gathered and the findings generated.This is to say nothing of the lost files and other suspect machinations.
For example,how many times have we heard on the radio news that scientists had discovered a "gay" gene only to find that the study was on nine sets of twins or some such absurdity.
I am really rather out of sorts about this whole mess. I cannot imagine how this country has reached this point. To think that they allow sex education that talks about the alternate life style as being okay,while they teach children that cigarettes can kill and if your parents smoke maybe they don't love you enough to live for you. I just can't deal with the twisting of everything to suit their immediate desires.
Just like AIDS,the amount of money we spend on research and education and medical care is five to twenty times greater than for cancer or heart disease.and whose screaming about it,any of those politicians? No, they are just up there mouthing pithy platitudes and sloganeering and the public seems to be anesthetized to anything. I guess that's the main reason I am so disgusted with our bishops,they lost all of their moral authority and credibility,the fools.
Well,I just had a good thought,sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can start pulling yourself back up. Well,I think American society has hit rock bottom so I pray there is no place to go but up.Now if the son of the father,who is president doesn't get us involved with more foolishness maybe we can heal and use the gifts God bestowed on this country.Whew,I feel much better now.
Yes, I was thinking of your earlier post when I read what Reisman had to say about the report. (Doyle, however, seems to be dining out on his connection with the report -- nearly every newspaper story I see quotes him somewhere!)
I do recall a story that ran in the Boston Herald near the beginning of the scandal last year -- a psychologist (apparently a sane one) reviewed a textbook used in one of these "training/therapy" centers and said (quoting from memory), "My God! This is psychobabble -- it's a how-to manual for sex offenders!"
No. A suit dismissed without prejudice means it can be filed again. A matter dismissed with prejudice means it's over.
Well, if you can find out what court it was filed in, it should be a matter of public record (around here -- Boston -- as far as I know, someone has to go over to the court and make copies of court papers they want). I wouldn't make too much of this -- she sued for defamation of character and slander, difficult to press for a public figure (OK, she's not a rock star, but she's published). And if the court didn't dismiss the suit until almost a year after her lawyer dropped out, it doesn't sound as if it was really moving right along. There may even have been some sort of settlement involved -- not necessarily cash, maybe an apology or something.
Another poster, has promised to try to get all the information on the suit and let us know.
I wish I could link,but I cannot,maybe after I move. But speaking of being forearmed there is a great article on Saul Alinsky,if you go over to NewsMax and go to the bottom of the page the first columnist listed is Diane Alden.In the article listed under her name she has described how Alinskyites took over the Domocratic party. Mary and Colleen,that is how the Catholic Church came to this pass, Alinsky was great friends with Monsignor Jack Egan,a little Marxist in the Chicago diocese,who was close to Bernardin. He,Egan, using alinsky tactics ripped through Chicago parishes with all of the venom imaginable and practically destroyed the Church there. I think,Shanley,Geoghan and the street priests from the Paulists were doing the same thing in boston. I did read somewhere that they were heavy contributors to the Democratic Party.
While kind of on topic,several years ago I read a bood by G, Michael Jones called Cardinal Krol,it was about how these people ruined Philadelphia,neighborhood by neighborhood,parish by parish. Lots of good information applicable to every large urban area that was devastated. The little piece of information that I found most surprising was that the advance troops who bought in the neighborhoods targeted for destruction were Quakers.AC,the puzzle is slowly taking shape.
CHICAGO, Jan. 15, 03 - What if the "experts" who claimed that child molesting priests could be reformed and then repatriated to their parishes, weren't really experts at all? What if they were quack doctors, who believed there was fundamentally nothing wrong with adult/child sexually contact? What if their so-called treatments never showed success, and in fact were never intended to stop child sexual abuse?
This is the thesis of Dr. Judith Reisman, Ph. D., who believes that the entire field of sexology, established by the notorious Dr. Alfred Kinsey, is a fraud. Dr. Reisman also believes that the so-called treatments given to predator priests in Kinsey inspired therapy sessions were so grossly ineffective, that the Catholic Church and the victims of clerical sexual abuse have a legal claim against these sex clinics for medical malpractice. She is currently consulting with several attorneys regarding class action suits whereby the Catholic laity can seek damages.
Dr. Reisman, Ph.D. visited Chicago in November to discuss these issues and the second edition of her landmark book, Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences at the invitation of Catholic Citizens of Illinois, a lay group founded in 1996 which offers a monthly luncheon and speaker forum open to the public.
After completing her doctorate studies in mass communication in 1980, Dr. Reisman entered an investigation into Dr. Kinsey . In 1998, she published the first edition of Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences, which exposed Dr. Kinsey, for the first time, as an academic fraud and a bi/homosexual responsible for massive child molestation.
Dr. Reisman's investigation has revealed that the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University ("IU"), led by Dr. Kinsey, was responsible for the criminal sexual abuse of over 300 infants and children, the results of which were published in Kinsey's 1948 report on male sexuality. Dr. Reisman also revealed that Kinsey's female 'research' subjects would have included large numbers of prostitutes, the only women willing to candidly discuss their sex lives with him. For his "normal" male subjects, Kinsey used prison inmates, where homosexuality was rampant.
Dr. Reisman noted that, "the members of the Catholic Church have a unique opportunity during this catastrophic challenge to help the entire nation to pull itself out of the very tragic place it has fallen into." In addition to a catastrophic loss of faith within the Church hierarchy, the hidden source of the current child sexual abuse scandal "is the constant stream of immorality in the media and popular culture that has polluted the nation and the Church. The main source of the sexual scandal today is Dr. Kinsey's sexual revolution."
Dr. Reisman pointed out that the media's use of the term ephebophilia to describe the abuse by priests is an intentionally misleading manipulation of language. "The main problem has been priests having sex with boys. Ephebophilia can by definition be heterosexual or homosexual assault. What we see today are almost exclusively homosexual assaults of boys, 'pederasty', and it has a long history. Ephebophilia has no validity in terms of what is taking place in the Catholic Church."
Dr. Reisman highlighted the recent statements of Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, who has insisted, "questions should be asked about the clinics and treatment centers used by Bishops, and the faulty counsel by various kinds of sexologists, psychologists and other assorted 'experts' who advised recycling predatory priests."
In response to Bishop Bruskewitz's call, Dr. Reisman has developed a proposal mapping out the legal strategy for suing the "treatment centers" that accepted predatory priests fraudulently promising to rehabilitate them. The report was recently hand delivered to Pope John Paul II. "We have to face the fact," noted Dr. Reisman, "that just as there are closet pederast priests, and even Bishops, there are pederast therapists," and they have been misleading the Church for decades. As of this date, there has been no response from the Vatican regarding Dr. Reisman's proposals.
Dr. Reisman noted that legal precedence for culpability of therapists for fraudulent malpractice has already established by a $5.7 million award in 1984 against one such center, which had established a record for treating and releasing sexual predators who continued to prey on children after they had been allegedly "cured."
Referencing a growing mountain of evidence, Dr. Reisman declared it a well know fact that for decades parish school children, seminarians and priests in the Catholic Church have been counseled and taught using Kinsey's perverted and fraudulently derived theories of sexuality. In fact, "They (seminarians) have been taught the Sexual Attitude Restructuring (SAR) process that was created at the Institute for the Study of Advanced Sexuality in San Francisco, which was founded by Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, Dr. Kinsey's one time lover. Pomeroy who not only endorsed wife-swapping and homosexuality, but has also extolled the virtues of child sex and even bestiality."
I could be wrong, but my impression has been that many of those "clinics" were run by the Church in some form -- I mean, will this mean one diocese suing another or suing an Order that ran a clinic? Even for those clinics (if there were such) with no Church affiliation, I think way too many in authority in the Church were way too eager to spread that codswallop for the Church as an institution to have anything like "clean hands" for legal purposes.
I believe you are correct in attributing many connections between bishops and sex clinics.In my estimation,this is all the more reason we should encourage Dr.Judith Reissman to pursue this lawsuit. It seems to me,as this scandal goes on and on that there was a deliberate intent to destroy the Catholic Church that was contrived by secular humanists outside of the Church,marxists and "progressives" both within and outside of the Church and quite a few bishops and priests within the Church.
I think,that at this point,the "planners" expected the steady drumbeat of measures they wanted taken to have moved Rome to act.Their dream to relax the celibacy requirement,allow women in the priesthood and democratize the Church is not coming easily,as they had hoped. In fact,the scandal has focused attention on homosexuality,a subject that they absolutely do not want to look at.
Certainly we can see that many of the power player USCCB bishops and bureaucracy are not taking the initiative and acting.They are just keeping quiet and waiting for it to blow over,a groundswell of support for law suits where they would have to testify is just what they deserve.
One,ordinarily very holy and kind Catholic poster on another thread finally said "you can't kill what you can't see". Dr. Reissman,bless her,has come up with another way to "smoke 'em out". Whether it goes anywhere or not,the thought should send chills up a lot of bishops spines and if we can do nothing else,we can hope that they are scared silly and very uncomfortable. Yes,they need to pursue a lawsuit against the sexologists and their clinics.Now that that the Church has captured the attention of American society,let it serve to shine a light on the seamy,deadly side of homosexuality.
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