[Jael]

When they quote manmade ideas then the trouble begins. So many times the argument here is "my man vs your man", not the Gospel.

There man is Calvin, my man is Jesus Christ.

John 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

[George W. Bush]

Their man is Calvin, my man is Jesus Christ.

Feel free to disagree with the doctrines of grace, namely, that which is commonly called Calvinist. But this statement is simply not true, no matter how often repeated.

I'm beginning to think you Arminians all have the same little I Hate Calvin handbook somewhere from which you drag these prosaic insults.

I suspect you believe there is some sort of overriding set of uniform beliefs among Calvinists on a wide range of topics. This is actually untrue in both the modern era and historically. There is a actually a tremendous variety of other doctrinal beliefs held by those who describe themselves as Calvinist. You'll find there are actually quite a number of Calvinists who hold no particular regard for Calvin or who denounce some of his theological errors. I don't think you'll find a single "Calvinist" here who agrees with him entirely on anything.

And I doubt any of you Arminians are in complete agreement with Arminius either. And many wouldn't know the particulars of his theology even as well as we know Calvin's shortcomings.

Unfortunately, the world is never quite as flat as we would prefer it to be.