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1 posted on 12/23/2002 2:45:03 PM PST by xzins
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To: fortheDeclaration; ShadowAce; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; ...
Ping to the Millennial Temple

I believe Dr John Whitcomb is the author of "The Genesis Flood" and one of the original creationists with Dr Henry Morris.

His influence, then, has been felt throughout evangelicalism.
2 posted on 12/23/2002 2:47:10 PM PST by xzins
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Good post xzins...we all eagerly look forward to the return of the King and kingdom.
9 posted on 12/23/2002 8:54:53 PM PST by DouglasKC
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literalist read later
10 posted on 12/23/2002 10:28:34 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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Best discussion on millennial animal sacrifice I've yet seen. Thanks for the post.
11 posted on 12/24/2002 6:14:38 AM PST by marbren
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BTTT

Thanks for posting this article!

Merry Christmas Eve!!!

14 posted on 12/24/2002 9:00:32 AM PST by maestro
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To: xzins; fortheDeclaration; gracebeliever; BibChr; nobdysfool; Revelation 911; drstevej; ...
"It is unthinkable that a system of animal sacrifices will be reinstituted after the one perfect sacrifice of Christ has been accomplished, especially in the light of Hebrews 7-10."

Dr. Whitcomb's answer doesn't mention a couple additional points that I think further bear on construing Ezekiel's temple (and the sacrifices) as millennial:

  1. While the sacrificial 'infrastructure' is fully present, it is the 'prince' who provides all the Burnt, Grain, Peace, and Sin sacrifices for the House of Israel (Eze 45:17). This stands in sharp contrast to the Levitical system wherein each individual brought his own sacrifice.
  2. The only sacrifices provided by an individual himself are his own Burnt and Grain offerings. These offerings are largely voluntary, as I understand them, in that they are offered in worship, thanksgiving, and devotion as well as to cover unintentional sin, but they are offered when and to the extent the individual is so inclined, somewhat like our tithe's, singing praise, prayer devotionals, etc. Note that the mandatory Sin and Guilt sacrifices are not offered by the individual, but by the prince, on behalf of the individual as members of the House of Israel.
  3. There is no 'Guilt" offering which requires restitution made by anyone, as if to say restitution is nolonger required. Note there is some ambiguity in Eze 46:6,7 which could be construed as a 'guilt' offering (ram and lambs) but in the context are made with the grain offering, and there is no other mention of guilt offerings being made.

Ezekiel doesn't record or reveal (as it likely was kept hidden from him) who is the 'prince', other than by title. Suppose, then, that the 'prince' of millennial Israel is Jesus, and thus Jesus is providing the sacrifices. Not that Jesus is the animal sacrifice but Jesus merely provides it somehow, much like how God provided the ram in the bush to Abraham as a substitute for Isaac.

It would seem the sacrifices are animal, but if Jesus is providing them, they may no longer have the same significance of being mere "flesh of bulls or blood of goats" (Psalm 50:13) which the Lord declares inadequate. If Jesus provides the sacrifices on behalf of millennial Israel, perhaps they are largely instructive of the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross and not intended to truly 'cover'?

Why would Jesus continue the temple sacrifical system, merely substituing sacrifices He provides, rather than eliminating it altogether? Well, it would appear that aside from the voluntary 'worship' type of sacrifices of Ezekiel 46:13-15 (and we saints similarly voluntarily 'tithe' and bring a 'sacrifice of prase' as worship), the sin and guilt covering sacrifices brought by individuals for themselves have been eliminated, and replaced by sacrifices brought by Jesus (if and only if He is the 'prince' of Ezekiel 45, 46, etc.).

Why would Jesus continue any temple sacrifices at all? I don't know. The fact we must accept is that scripture states they do continue. But we can better understand how.

Here then are two charts I made providing a visual comparison of the sacrifices of Ezekiel versus Levitiucs:

Ezekiel Temple Offering Types and Purposes
     
Voluntary Worship
Mandatory Atonement

Offering

Atonement

 

Burnt

atone for unintentional sin, worship, comittment & surrender to God

Grain

worship, recognize God's provision, devotion

Peace (Fellowship)

worship, thanksgiving, fellowship with others usually at a meal

Sin

unintentional sin, confession, forgiveness, cleansing

Guilt

for sin requiring restitution , forgiveness, cleansing

Elements  
Bull, male sheep or goat, male/female dove or pidgeon,
flour or grain
Bull, male/female sheep or goat
Bull, male/female goat
ram or lamb

Ezekiel

Temple

Offer

Providers

Prince

for

House of Israel

Eze 45:17 "It shall be the prince's part to provide the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the drink offerings, at the feasts, on the new moons and on the sabbaths, at all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel; he shall provide the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering and the peace offerings, to make atonement for the house of Israel."  
Eze 45:18-20*       1/1, 7th each month  
Eze 45:21-24 1/14 7days 1/14 7days   1/14 1st -7th day  
Eze 45:25 7/15 7 days 7/15 7 days   7/15 7 days  
Eze 46:4-5 Sabbath Sabbath      
Eze 46:6-7 new moon new moon    
???
Eze 46:11   festivals & feasts      
Eze 46:12 Sabbath   Sabbath    

People for themselves

Eze 46:13, 15 continually        
Eze 46:14, 15   continually      

* Priests perform the sacrificial cleansing of the temple, but the Prince provides the sacrifice.

 

Levitical Offering Types and Purposes
     
Voluntary Worship
Mandatory Atonement

Offering

Atonement

 

Burnt

atone for unintentional sin, worship, comittment & surrender to God

Grain

worship, recognize God's provision, devotion

Peace (Fellowship)

worship, thanksgiving, fellowship with others usually at a meal

Sin

unintentional sin, confession, forgiveness, cleansing

Guilt

for sin requiring restitution , forgiveness, cleansing

Elements  
Bull, male sheep or goat, male/female dove or pidgeon,
flour or grain
Bull, male/female sheep or goat
Bull, male/female goat
ram or lamb

Levitical

Offering

Providers

People

for themselves

  Lev 1:3 if his offering is a burnt offering ... he shall offer it Lev 2:1,2 ...when anyone presents a grain offering...He shall then bring it Lev 3:1 if his offering is a sacrifice of peace offerings ... he shall offer it

Lev 4:3 if the anointed priest sins ... let him offer
Lev 4:14 ...then the assembly shall offer...
Lev 4:23 ...[a leader] shall bring for his offering
Lev 4:28 then [the common person] shall bring for his offering
Lev 5:7 [the poor] shall bring ... for a sin offering
Lev 5:11 [the very poor] shall bring ... for a sin offering

Lev 5:6 'He shall also bring his guilt offering to the LORD for his sin which he has committed,

Priests

cleanse the temple, & for themselves

Ex 29:39-42 daily, and feasts        
Nu 28:9-10 double on Saabath        

15 posted on 12/26/2002 11:16:52 AM PST by Starwind
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I thought I would point out a further consistency (and perhaps an inconsistency) of Ezekiel's land divisions with Revelation.

I assume we are all familiar with the fact that the tribes of Dan and Ephraim which received an alottment of the promised land by Joshua, do not appear in the list of twelve tribes in Revelation 6 - the 144,000 Israelites sealed for God.

Note further, that the alottments prophecied by Ezekiel do match the tribes sealed in Rev 6. Plus, it would appear that the tribes of Dan and Ephraim have been restored. Thus it is possible, that again, God not only preserved a remnant of Israel in Revelation 6, but his promise to Israel includes Dan and Ephraim as well, and collectively they are Ezekiel's tribes who then receive a new alottment in the millennial 'camp of the saints and the beloved city' (Rev 20:9):

Joshua's divison of promised land
Sealed tribes of Revelation 6
Ezekiel's division of holy land
Jos 15:1 Judah Rev 6:5 ...tribe of Judah, 12,000, Eze 48:7 ...Judah, one portion.
Num 32:29 Reuben ...tribe of Reuben 12,000, Eze 48:6 ...Reuben, one portion.
Num 32:29 Gad ...tribe of Gad 12,000, Eze 48:27 ...Gad, one portion.
Jos 19:24 Asher Rev 6:6 ...tribe of Asher 12,000, Eze 48:2 ... Asher, one portion.
Jos 19:32 Naphtali ...tribe of Naphtali 12,000, Eze 48:3 ...Naphtali, one portion.
Jos 17:1 Manasseh ...tribe of Manasseh 12,000, Eze 48:4 ... Manasseh, one portion.
Jos 19:1 Simeon Rev 6:7 ...tribe of Simeon 12,000, Eze 48:24 ...Simeon, one portion.
Jos 18:7 Levites none -priestly service ...tribe of Levi 12,000, Eze 48:13 ...Levites have 25,000 [by] 10,000 cubits
Jos 19:17 Issachar ...tribe of Issachar 12,000, Eze 48:25 ...Issachar, one portion.
Jos 19:10 Zebulun Rev 6:8 ...tribe of Zebulun 12,000, Eze 48:26 ...Zebulun, one portion.
Jos 16:1 Joseph ...tribe of Joseph 12,000, Eze 47:13 ...Joseph shall have two portions.
Jos 18:11 Benjamin ...tribe of Benjamin, 12,000 Eze 48:23 ...Benjamin, one portion.
Jos 16:5 Ephraim   Eze 48:5 ...Ephraim, one portion
Jos 19:40 Dan   Eze 48:1 ...Dan, one portion

16 posted on 12/26/2002 11:18:07 AM PST by Starwind
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