Posted on 12/21/2002 7:10:11 AM PST by drstevej
This thread is for COMMENTS on the "Cordial Discussion between P-Marlowe and Pseudogratix."
Please do not clutter the original discussion thread.
Who says that? If that were true, we could not know that Jesus will come again, that the lion will eat straw like the ox, or that there will be a White Throne Judgment.
We could not know of the resurrection to come, of the new heaven and new earth, of the holy city coming down from God out of heaven with pearly gates.
No, it doesn't. It says we are created in the image of God. See my #478.
If you need to be more precise, it says that Moses, and by extension all of us, is in the image of God.
To show EXACTLY what it means.
We ALL saw your post #478, and we ALL saw the cut&paste I took from Merriam-Webster.
We ALL will decide what is right by judging the EVIDENCE.
Earlier you claimed something about expiration dates. Now you are claiming something about invalidity. Try again to say something that has some relevance to what I said.
On second thought, don't bother.
God bless you anyway!
Try again, Elsie. Go back and read what I posted.
How did the disciples describe their experience when they met Jesus after His resurrection?
Luke 24: 32 (13-34) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
So enough with making fun of a burning in the bosom.
Or at least use it properly, within context. At least two of Christ's disciples experienced their "heart burn within" them as they experienced truth. Let's at least respect that this can happen, or at least has happened in the past.
/rant
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
LDS use the burning bosom as a spritual geiger counter. There is no support for this in Luke 24.
Spiritual geiger counter. That's pretty funny. I like it.
I think everyone keeps getting stuck on the scripture part of the burning bosom. However, LDS feel that the burning bosom is a sign of truth, and not just of the truth of the Book of Mormon.
After all, the next verse after the famous "Book of Mormon challenge" (the pray about it routine), it says (Nephi 10:5) And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
Can we at least agree that at least one time recorded Biblically, two disciples felt their hearts burn when exposed to truth? We may quibble over the details (like was it Christ who caused it, or was it the Holy Spirit), but there is some Bible support for such an idea.
It's amazing, since that 'burning' verse was NOT 'removed' from the Protestant OR the Catholic Bible, that it NEVER made it into our 'traditions' on how to athenticate 'things of the Lord'.
How does a Trinitarian handle this kind of conflict? Yes, it clearly states that it was Jesus walking with them. Does that mean that the Holy Spirit was not capable of being there? After all, we see manifestations of all Three at Jesus' baptism (voice from heaven, Christ in the water, Spirit as a dove).
Yes, it doesn't say directly that it was the Holy Spirit that was doing the burning, but a look at John 14:26 and John 15:26 would support this idea.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
In regards to the argument of traditions, one only has to look at the concept of rapture to see how thin that argument is. A few hundred years ago the idea didn't even exist. Then somebody noticed one passage in 1 Thes, and from there a whole set of traditions evolved. Now we have arguments over pre-trib, mid-trib, and post-trib rapture, each with its own set of "supporting" scripture (and sometimes supporting book series).
Can we at least agree that at least one time recorded Biblically, two disciples felt their hearts burn when exposed to truth? There may be conflict over the supporting scriptures (and based on the pre-, mid-, post-trib discussion, this is a common occurrence within the mainline Christian faiths), but it is clear that it happened in some fashion. You most likely have to agree to that if you believe in the Bible. There are, after all, three verses I mentioned that point at it.
Is your thinking on this verse based on the concept that these two disciples had a physical sensation within their physical chests? If so, you should consider that the word "heart" is used as an idiomatic expression--a figure of speech, in the Bible.
There are over 500 uses of the word "heart" in the Holy Bible. I am unable to find ANY which refer to the physical heart, or chest, or bosom. Do you know of any? If not, it may well be that this verse has absolutely nothing to do with "burning in the bosom."
It is likely that I do not correctly understand the concept.
I can find only one reference to this concept, in the LDS distinctive scriptures:
D&C 9: 8
8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must cask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.
It looks, to me, that this passage (all of D&C 9) is a personal prophecy to Oliver Cowdery, not to the LDS in general.
Is there an online location where someone could learn more about this concept, so we could discuss the reality of it, instead of our (non-LDS) possible minconceptions of it?
DG(Fool and Liar)
David Copperfield And the other illusionists call this tactic 'misdirection'.
I like the "You skin this one, I go get another" analogy of the bear hunters, myself.
We Protestants have LONG ago given up arguing minor points interpretation, like you LDS have tried to steer us into, as well......
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Golly! I don't know!
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