Kyivan Orthodox Bishop Denies That He Became Traditionalist Catholic

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[Conservative til I die]

Bishop Yurchk is definitely suffering in his stand for Christ. Prayers, instead of snide remarks, would be greatly appreciated

Because you've been so reciprocal in your words towards the Pope and the non-schismatic Catholics here, right? You know, like when you call the Pope a pig and a tool of Satan?

My prediction is, you'll be bounced from this board real soon.

[Shermy]

Care to ask the Orthodox Caucus to weigh in on this?

Intrigues hanging around from the Soviet are not my thing. But I have noticed a greater appreciation of Orthodoxy from other Christians here and there, like Anglicans and Catholics. Tend to be appreciation of ceremony and tradition, priests (most) allowed to marry and the perception of a church with central controls without the seeming excess bureaucracy and intrigues of Catholic church.

[OldCorps]

"Care to ask the Orthodox Caucus to weigh in on this?"

Several observations from an Orthodox perspective:

1) the so-called Kievan Patriarchate is a schismatic (from Orthodoxy) group. Few, if any Orthodox autonomous churches, and none of the other patriarchates recognize them as a legitimate church.

2) for the reason above, the act was no doubt a publicity stunt, much as others have services with snake charmers and shamans--just to get their names in the papers or on the six o'clock news.

3) upon consecration to the episcopacy, an orthodox hierarch vows to pass on the traditions of the Church unchanged. Participating in this "event" violates this consecration oath.

4) more importantly, the real problem (for which he would be deposed in any real Orthodox jurisdiction) is the canon against serving (ie liturgically) with heretics (which we view the RC Church). The website at

http://www.cmri.org/yurchik-slides.html

states that "Bishop" Yurii served a mass. Furthermore, he participated in a procession (or entrance) and was vested (wearing a mitre and the saccos in photo 13 while standing before the altar) while serving. That he was vested removes all doubt that he served with heretics.

Thus, in any normal Orthodox jurisdiction, "Bishop" Yurii would be deposed.

In Christ,
Reader John

[FormerLib]

An additional ping to some additional troubling info.

It is common knowledge that the Communist oppression created a great deal of splintering of the Church. This appears to be nothing more than the latest example.

[patent]

As far as damage control, if you can’t produce the Bishop, its going to be quite effective damage control.

Yes, Stalin's.

LOL. You think they would kill him to hide him from you? Perhaps the aliens and bildeburgers could help.

As to the rest of your post, I notice you seem to spend all of your time here Protesting against the Church and the Pope. Interesting. All your responses seem to be to Catholics, and against the Church. If we are all Protestants, as your theology supposedly states, why aren’t you also trying to convert other types of Protestants? It is so obvious your only real reason for being here is to drag people away from the Church, but I doubt you will ever see that.

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[patent]

4) more importantly, the real problem (for which he would be deposed in any real Orthodox jurisdiction) is the canon against serving (ie liturgically) with heretics (which we view the RC Church). The website at

Of course, he didn’t do this with the Catholic Church. These are non-Catholic schismatics. Our schismatics and your schismatics are hanging out.

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[drstevej]

***Sinaed O'Conner was ordained by another Bishop from a different Thuc line.***

Didn't know she was ordained.

[patent]

She was “ordained” by an “Archibishop Michael Cox” who came down through one of the Archbishop Thuc lineages. She called herself Mother Bernadette Mary. She paid hansomly for the ordination too, though I can’t recall if the resulting scandal (term used loosely, given the “bishops” involved) didn’t cause them to return the money. I used to have a picture, but these things are quickly forgotten by the internet. I’m quite sure HDMZ appreciates having her as a related cousin, and apparently a fellow devotee of Latin, as she also says Mass in Latin. ;-) Anyway, an article on her:

Irish pop star Sinead O'Connor - who once famously tore up a picture of Pope John Paul II at a concert in New York-- has been "ordained" to the priesthood by a renegade Catholic bishop.

O'Connor-- who has two children by two different fathers-- was given the name "Mother Bernadette Mary" during last Thursday's ordination ceremony at the Marian shrine of Lourdes in France.

The ceremony was carried out by Irish Bishop Michael Cox, a former policeman who was ordained a bishop of the schismatic sect based in Palmar de Troya in Spain. Bishop Cox recently formed the "Latin Tridentine Church" with dissident priest Father Pat Buckley. Buckley, who was suspended from the priesthood by the former head of the Irish Catholic Church, Cardinal Cahal Daly, was last year illicitly ordained as a bishop by Bishop Cox.

But the two bishops fell out over a gift of IR£150,000 by Sinead O'Connor to Bishop Cox. The pop star said she gave Bishop Cox the money to set up a "healing center" for travellers (gypsies) in the Irish midlands. She also offered to pay for a hernia operation for the bishop.

Bishop Buckley said the donation was "disturbing" and he would be very worried "if the money was attached in even the slightest way to the performance of a sacrament." He said he had no difficulty with the ordination of a woman, but he was concerned that O'Connor had been ordained after only six weeks of theological study.

O'Connor told Irish radio that she had already celebrated four Masses -- two in English and two in Latin. She said the Catholic Church should be grateful to her for using her priesthood to bring young people back to the Church. Bishop Cox said O'Connor would "bring massive numbers of people back to Christ through her music."

I love how they keep referring to their little traveling sideshow as the “Church” and the “Catholic Church.” Just like the rest of our schismatics, liberal or Traditionalist.

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[drstevej]

And who says you can't learn new things on FR>

I posted the O'Connor stuff thinking it must be someone else. I guess bald women make schismatic hip priests. Bishop Britney Spears ???

BTW, there was a billboard here in Baton Rouge with Britney on it saying: Britney, the Pride of Louisiana. Someone painted over the "P" and the sign was taken down.

[patent]

They don't much care for truth in advertising do they?

[St.Chuck]

....he was concerned that O'Connor had been ordained after only six weeks of theological study.

Yeah. There's the problem. Another coupla weeks and everything woulda been fine.

[Conservative til I die]

You're a disgusting human being.