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To: pseudo-justin; Quester
The basic difficulty with Sola Scriptura is that it takes a certain real truth -- that Christ through the Holy Spirit personally teaches us in dramatic ways the meaning of Scripture for me and my life--and then turns that truth concerning my subjective relationship to the Lord into an ECCLESIOLOGICAL principle about the source of the NORMATIVITY OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES. From the fact that in a subjective encounter with the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit guides me to understand X, it does not at all follow that X is normative doctrine for all other Christians.

Perhaps it would be worthwhile if you posted the definition of Sola Scriptura you are working with.
351 posted on 11/21/2002 3:03:28 PM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
Perhaps it would be worthwhile if the Protestants themselves could agree on what sola scriptura means. It is the ever shifting target promulgated by man which, when all the obfuscation is done, means "if it ain't in the Bible, I don't need to believe it (at least to get saved)".

I see you guys are whipping out your dictionaries for kecharitomene, as if the dictionary could settle the question. Do any of you realize that dictionaries give the meanings of a word but are not suffficient to express the essence of the reality signified by the word? Dictionaries can tell me what the word "water" means, but do not tell me what the very nature of water really is. For the latter, I need to pass beyond the meaning of the word to the grasp what is not in the word but in the thing signified by the word -- nature of the thing. Now, the dictionaries can tell us no more than what the word kecharitomene means, but it does not tell us what kecharitomene IS precisely when applied to Mary.

Why MUST we say that the reality signified by kecharitimone is nothing but the meaning of the word? If that standard were applied to any other passage of Scripture, the words God has given us in Sccripture would be emptied of their power to convey anything more than what dictionaries can inform us of Scriptures' sayings -- and that would be impoverished indeed.

357 posted on 11/21/2002 3:23:51 PM PST by pseudo-justin
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