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To: pegleg
That wasn't my point. Actually, I didn't even read the questions. I read the first line about my bad punctuation (capitalization) meaning that I didn't respect catholics, so I hit the reply button immediately and responded.

1. Do you believe it is possible to know the Truth rather than guess about it? 2. Would you agree this is the reason Christ left us the Church , which scripture clearly tells us is the pillar and foundation of Truth? 3. Do you ever consider the Catholic position when you are comparing opinions?

1. It's not a guess. It's a process of evaluting choices that I learned through a 20 year career in the Army.
2. You get some distance with the Church sayings of Jesus. Those are biblical facts. Ideally, a church will be properly operating. The churches in the book of revelation tell us that some churches are closer to the truth than are others. Those that were failing were obviously not correct in the things the Lord was chastising them over.
3. I consider the catholic opinion if I know it. There's some things I know fairly well. Family and Army career has opened insights into other things. The things I like best about the catholic church are: (1) I like having a place where the buck stops. (2) I like the separation of male and female ministries. (3) I like the organizational commitment to educating their younger generations. (4) I like their follow-through on pre-marital, membership, confirmation, catechetical, etc. programs. (5) I like catholic charities. (6) I like their stand on abortion. (7) I like the separate orders with particular emphases. (8) others

So do I sound like some kind of rapid, unreasonable guy?

I don't like the marian theologies, the opulence, the transsubstantiation theology (as I understand it), the celibacy theology, others that I can't remember at the moment.

281 posted on 11/20/2002 8:32:15 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
St. Peter's is no more opulent than the mega-church (Baptist) in Plano, Texas. But that aside, St. Bernard of Clairvaux agreed with you about the wealth of the manasteries. But I wonder what you think about his solution. He set his monasteries in wastelands, built humble chapels, and he and his monks set about improving the land and praying. Imagine a boot camp that does not end, so that the average monk lived only seven years. But the monks gladly followed Bernard, including his own brothers, and would have gone to hell and back for him. What do you think? Acceptable? That's as much a part of Catholic history as cardinals in ermine and many of the men that we Catholics idolize as saints lived such lives.
285 posted on 11/20/2002 11:02:24 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: xzins
It's not a guess. It's a process of evaluting choices that I learned through a 20 year career in the Army.

This sounds like a dodge xzins. You stated previously you had an opinion regarding premillennialism and the answer was fuzzy . This does not sound like you know. My question had to do with knowing rather that guessing at Truth. Based on your response I take it you don’t think its possible to know the Truth. This is not the message of the gospel.

You get some distance with the Church sayings of Jesus. Those are biblical facts. Ideally, a church will be properly operating.

Another dodge. I wanted to know if you agree that Christ left us the Church to teach and defend the Truth.

The churches in the book of revelation tell us that some churches are closer to the truth than are others. Those that were failing were obviously not correct in the things the Lord was chastising them over.

The Churches in Revelation had the Truth and some were being chastised for not being faithful to it.

I consider the catholic opinion if I know it.

Do you ever seek the Catholic teaching if you don’t know it?

So do I sound like some kind of rapid, unreasonable guy?

Not at all.

I don't like the marian theologies, the opulence, the transsubstantiation theology (as I understand it), the celibacy theology, others that I can't remember at the moment.

I guess that’s the bottom line isn’t it? You don’t like.

Could it be you don’t understand? Could it be you do understand but don’t agree? The point I have been trying to make is the Bible does tell us where to find the Truth.

287 posted on 11/21/2002 5:18:47 AM PST by pegleg
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