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To: RnMomof7
Except a clear reading of the scripture says they were causative. IF God had CHOSEN to act differently they would have chosen to act differently .God knew that BUT He chose NOT to act in a way that would change their actions.

In a sense, you could argue that God's permission for an event 'caused' it, I suppose. However, when I speak of causation, I am referring to God necessitating an event. So, while God's action/inaction 'causes' an event in the sense of contingency--others react based upon His actions/inactions--this by no means implies necessity. They are not irresistibly compelled to act this way; this is the way they choose to act based upon God's actions.

18 posted on 11/17/2002 9:11:31 AM PST by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian
I do believe God works two ways by direct action and indirect..both result in the predestination of event

He is God , not a man like us..so His inaction IS an action

Did God CAUSE Adam to sin..NO , Did He foreknow that sin..of course .. was that sin in His directive will NO ...BUT we have to see it as Gods will because it could only occure if He allowed it to happen ..so in a sense it was a predestined act....one that He wanted to use for His glory ...

20 posted on 11/17/2002 10:17:45 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: The Grammarian
They are not irresistibly compelled to act this way; this is the way they choose to act based upon God's actions.

Man is compelled by his nature and preferences to act in a certain way. All of our "choices " are based on our preferences and birth situation. Both of which were NEVER in your control

We all choose within a parameter of choices. No one has TOTALLY free choice in ANYTHING.

God made you, He programmed you, He knows everything about you because He is your personal creator.You can not do one thing that would suprise Him. You will always choose what he programmed you to choose.

22 posted on 11/17/2002 10:28:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
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