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To: The Grammarian
They are not irresistibly compelled to act this way; this is the way they choose to act based upon God's actions.

Man is compelled by his nature and preferences to act in a certain way. All of our "choices " are based on our preferences and birth situation. Both of which were NEVER in your control

We all choose within a parameter of choices. No one has TOTALLY free choice in ANYTHING.

God made you, He programmed you, He knows everything about you because He is your personal creator.You can not do one thing that would suprise Him. You will always choose what he programmed you to choose.

22 posted on 11/17/2002 10:28:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Man is compelled by his nature and preferences to act in a certain way. All of our "choices " are based on our preferences and birth situation. Both of which were NEVER in your control.

Man is not compelled by his nature and preferences to act in a certain way. All of our choices are our own, influenced by outside factors.

We all choose within a parameter of choices. No one has TOTALLY free choice in ANYTHING.

One, I never said we had a 'totally' free choice. In many ways, we are limited by what God permits--as Ralston states,

Again: the definition of liberty, as given by Edwards, as it does not properly apply to mental action, so neither does it properly apply to the power of bodily action as possessed by man. If liberty, or freedom, means "the power to do as we please," then none but Omnipotence can be free, for who else "can do as they please?" How Edwards could contend for the freedom of man, in his sense of freedom, is difficult to conceive; for surely a little reflection will show that, according to that definition, no man can be free. The subject may be illustrated thus: Suppose I see an individual exposed to imminent danger from the approach of an enemy, or from the burning of a house over his head. The feelings of humanity instantly lead me to will or desire to save him. I exert my utmost strength, but all in vain. Here I have not the power "to do as I please." Hence, according to Edwards, in the above case, I cannot possibly be free. I know it may be said that my immediate will is not to save the man, but only to exert myself in that way. To this I reply, that such is evidently not the case. My prime and governing will is to save him. This precedes, and is the cause of, my willing to put forth the exertions. Indeed, if I did not first will to save the man, I never could will to put forth exertions to that effect. The instance already adduced may satisfy any one that no man has the power "to do as he pleases;" and that consequently, according to Edwards, no man possesses liberty. In this respect, we humbly conceive his definition of freedom implies too much. Freedom does not imply an ability "to do as we please."
(from my other article).

As he goes on to say, "If man be endued with self-active power, then he is a free agent and properly the author of his own acts; but if he is not thus endued, he is only a passive machine—as really such as any material substance can be—no more the author of his actions than a stock, or a stone."

God made you, He programmed you, He knows everything about you because He is your personal creator.You can not do one thing that would suprise Him.

I didn't say that he didn't or that I could. He's omniscient, after all. It's beside the point, though.

You will always choose what he programmed you to choose.

Sorry, I'm not a good little robot like you seem to think. ;)

23 posted on 11/17/2002 11:15:58 AM PST by The Grammarian
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