[CCWoody]

Since Christ told us that tribulation and persecution would always follow the church and since Rev 7 describes those coming out of the Great Tribulation as being 'countless' and as being from believers from ~every~ tribe, tongue, language and people (apparently including Jews), I must conclude that the Great Tribulation is from the time of Christ's resurrection until his return. ~ Jean Chauvin

• Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

You know, sister, I have come to believe that we are now in the "1000 year reign of Christ" for reasons of which you have been made irritatingly aware ;-), but I have been becoming increasingly convinced that this is also "the great tribulation". I do notice that the KJV does not render this as THE great tribulation, but simply great tribulation.

Am I to understand that the events described here are not great tribulations:

• Hbr 11:35-37 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: and others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;...
  
  (Of whom the world was not worthy:)

It does seem, then, if we are to "wash our robes and make them white in the blood of the lamb" then we need to suffer in the flesh. Jesus Himself learned obedience by the things which He suffered. And we have the mind of Christ. But, then that means that we need to arm ourselves with the purpose to suffer.

• 1 Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; that he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

[xzins]

When did the tribulation begin? When does it end?

[drstevej]

Jer 30:7-9 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Does this describe the tribulation?

[the_doc]

I would offer the comment that many amills think that there will be an unusually bad period of tribulation concluding our millennial period.

Don't ask me to defend their position. (I try not to argue for something I can't really prove, even if I suspect that it is correct.)

[Jean Chauvin]

"". I do notice that the KJV does not render this as THE great tribulation, but simply great tribulation."

While there is no article "the" present in the Greek rendering of Matthew 24:21, it ~IS~ present in the Greek rendering of Rev 7:14. (i.e. Rev 7:14 is ~not~ referencing specifically Matt 24:21).

Jean