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Principles of Literal Bible Interpretation
Bible Truth ^ | Revised, Aug 2001 | Cooper P. Abrams, III

Posted on 10/29/2002 5:18:29 AM PST by xzins



TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: actual; allegorical; bible; figurative; interpretation; literal; real; symbolic
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To: ksen
Rev 20: [7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [8]And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

But didn't you say that the children born during the time that satan was in the pit would need a rod of iron for correction? And didn't you say the tares had to grow for a while with the tares?

There does not seem sufficent time for the tares to be sown , grow and rebel in your reading

361 posted on 11/01/2002 11:00:51 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen; RnMomof7; drstevej
What's this? It's not even Thanksgiving yet.

What's with all these organized people?
362 posted on 11/01/2002 11:05:00 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Corin Stormhands
I just read through this briefly, but it looks to at least somewhat accurately convey the amillennial view:

The Meaning of Revelation 20

“A thousand years” is a figurative, or symbolical, description of the entire age of the new covenant. The number 1,000 is a symbolical number, made up as it is of the number 10. In the Bible, 10 is the number of completeness. The symbolical nature of the thousand year period is in harmony with the symbolical character of the book of Revelation, e.g., the depiction of Satan as a great red dragon (Rev. 12). It is also in harmony with the obviously figurative character of the binding of the spirit, Satan, with a great chain. In addition, Revelation 20 is a vision (“and I saw,” vv. 1, 4), not historical observation.

The binding of Satan represents the sovereign control and restraint of the devil by the Lord Jesus that prevents him from deceiving the nations. During the present age, Satan cannot unite the nations under Antichrist. This restraint is related to the “withholding” and “letting,” or restraining, of II Thessalonians 2:6, 7 that assures that the man of sin, “that Wicked” (v.8), will be revealed in his proper, God-appointed time (v.6).

Throughout this same age, the martyrs — those who were beheaded on account of the witness of Jesus and on account of the Word of God — live and reign in heaven with Christ. The vision of the thrones in Revelation 20:4-6 refers to what theology calls “the intermediate state,” that is, the life and glory of elect saints at death and until the second coming of Jesus.

This is plain.

John sees “souls” sitting on the thrones. Earlier, in Revelation 6:9, the apostle spoke of the souls of the martyrs under the altar in heaven. Those souls in heaven were distinguished from humans dwelling on earth (v.10). The “souls” of Revelation 20:4-6 are those men and women who had been beheaded for their faithful confession of Christ in time of antichristian persecution throughout the present age.

At the instant of death, the martyred saint is taken up in his soul to be with Christ in heaven, and there he lives and reigns with Christ.

Living with Christ in heaven in the soul at the instant of physical death is the “first resurrection” (v. 5). The postmillennialists argue that the living and reigning with Christ cannot refer to the intermediate state because the life of the soul at death is not resurrection. J. Marcellus Kik, whose commentary on Revelation 20 has been very influential among modern postmillennialists, wrote: “The very fact that Revelation Twenty deals with a resurrection eliminates the interpretation that the Chapter is speaking of the intermediate state of the soul” (An Eschatology of Victory, Presbyterian and Reformed, p.230). The “Christian Reconstructionist” David Chilton has written:

We can dispose of the Amillennial position right away, by pointing out the obvious: this is a resurrection, a rising again from the dead.

Dying and going to heaven is wonderful, but, for all its benefits, it is not a resurrection. This passage cannot be a description of the state of disembodied saints in heaven (Paradise Restored: A Biblical Theology of Dominion, Reconstruction Press, p.196).

The postmillennialists are wrong.

The taking up to heaven of the soul of the believer at death is, indeed, resurrection. There is an act of the risen Christ upon the soul at the instant of death purifying it from all sin and transforming it from a soul adapted to earthly life into a soul adapted to heavenly life. There must be this resurrection of the soul by Christ if the soul is to be with Christ in heaven. Souls do not automatically fly away to heaven at death. Souls of believers do not naturally fly to heaven. The Heidelberg Catechism indicates Christ’s raising of the soul of the believer at death in Question 57: “my soul after this life shall be ... taken up to Christ its head.”

The saint goes to heaven by resurrection, and only by resurrection. There are two stages. The first is the resurrection of the soul. This is the resurrection of Revelation 20:5. The second is the resurrection of the body. This is the second resurrection, implied by the first resurrection of Revelation 20:5.

Accordingly, the first death of the reprobate ungodly is the suffering of God’s wrath in his soul at the moment of physical death. The second death will be his suffering of God’s wrath in hell in soul and body after the final judgment (see Rev. 20:6, 14).

At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be loosed for a short time (vv. 3, 7). The one who “letteth,” or restrains, will be taken out of the way (II Thess. 2:7). This enables Satan to establish his world-kingdom under Antichrist. The result is the final, all-out assault upon the true church and her living, faithful members (vv. 8, 9). The “beloved city” represents the church. The “saints” are all those whom the Spirit of Christ has sanctified through faith in Christ.

After a short time of intense persecution of the church — the “great tribulation” of Matthew 24:21 and the “time of trouble” of Daniel 12:1 — fire from God will devour the ungodly in the second coming of Christ (cf. II Thess. 1:6-10).

Then follow at once the final judgment and the eternal state, heaven and hell (Rev. 20:11 ff.).

363 posted on 11/01/2002 11:06:50 AM PST by Frumanchu
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To: RnMomof7; ksen; xzins
Here ya go Mom, if you will take the time to read this it will help, you can also go to the rest of the book from here. Good stuff. :)

Who Will Populate the Millennium?

BigMack

364 posted on 11/01/2002 11:09:18 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: ksen; xzins; the_doc; Frumanchu; Wrigley; Corin Stormhands; jude24
If you people will be patient with me, I will eventually answer some of these questions. But, really, some of you simply need to pick up your Bibles and read them and quit being such brats. This isn't rocket science.
365 posted on 11/01/2002 12:03:37 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; RnMomof7; theAmbassador; xzins; the_doc; drstevej
I just turned my calendar to November and listed under today on my calendar is the anniversary of the conversion of George Mueller.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY GEORGE!!!!!

366 posted on 11/01/2002 12:07:43 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Ok, who is he?
367 posted on 11/01/2002 12:09:28 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: jude24; RnMomof7
Oh, I don't think it was helpful--yet.

I'm not being mean. I am just alluding to the fact that I have already sent you a series of e-mails which thoroughly explained the idea of Satan being "bound that he should deceive the nations no more." And I am saying that you have been unreceptive.

My point here is that your unreceptiveness is not my fault. I think I need to tell you this.

Your real problem, IMO, is that you are still resisting John 5:28-29.

368 posted on 11/01/2002 12:11:46 PM PST by the_doc
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To: theAmbassador; xzins; ksen; Frumanchu; Revelation 911; RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration
If you people will be patient with me, I will eventually answer some of these questions.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Get a grip on yourself man.

369 posted on 11/01/2002 12:14:03 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Wrigley
Ok, who is he?

Try here.

In the mid to early 1800's he decided to set out to prove that God still answers prayer like He did in the Bible. Through nothing but prayer and reliance upon God Mueller established orphanages in England and gave millions of dollars to foreign missions.

Over here is a short biography of George Mueller. Here's a warning about that page though......Mr. Mueller needs a brush. ;^)

370 posted on 11/01/2002 12:17:25 PM PST by ksen
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To: the_doc
What am I resisting in Jn 5:28-29? I reread it forwards, backwards, and sideways. It speaks of the final judgment.

I don't see what you think I am resisting....

371 posted on 11/01/2002 12:20:53 PM PST by jude24
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To: ksen
Mt 13:24-25,38 seems to indicate that at some point the world has been full of nothing but saved people. When was that? I submit that it is at the start of His Millenial Kingdom.

It was called the Garden of Eden.

But, really, back to this idea of saved saints who are not a part of the first resurrection. You tell me that these people are saved, but they will die in this kingdom. What exact scriptures do you base the death of God's people in the Millennial reign of Christ.

Are you saying that Christ had a body of sin before He went to Calvary?

That body died, didn't it?

The Tribulation Saints are not the Church, the Old Testament Saints are not the Church. Those saved from Pentecost until the Rapture are the Church.

That's not what the scripture says: Christ died for the sins of the world. His death affected the salvation of those in all the dispensations. He is currently calling out His Bride.

Now, that is interesting. If Christ died for the sins of the whole world and this death affected the salvation of persons in all "dispensations", then does this also mean that Christ died for the sins of all His enemies from the first dispensation? If so, then explain how He is not defrauded of His reward for doing so.
372 posted on 11/01/2002 12:22:00 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: ksen
I'll go ahead and FReepmail you my list. It's not THAT long. ;^)

Send the list , the preferences or hobbies and MONEY ...I will be glad to ..I LOVE shopping ONLINE :>)

373 posted on 11/01/2002 12:22:16 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej
naw..I own a well read falling apart , beloved one..But I am ordering the MacArthur one:>)
374 posted on 11/01/2002 12:23:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: the_doc
I'm familiar with your assertion regarding the "that he should deceive the nations no more." But the issue I see is that according to 2 Cor. 4:4, that is precisely what Satan is doing now.

Thats probably my biggest objection of them all.

375 posted on 11/01/2002 12:24:14 PM PST by jude24
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To: ksen
You do not believe God honored the animal sacrifices? I have always thought He did..but it was a temporary absolution..I am open to correction on that ..but God told them it was for their sins..and God does not lie
376 posted on 11/01/2002 12:26:00 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: theAmbassador
You tell me that these people are saved, but they will die in this kingdom.

I never said that saints die in the Millenial Kingdom.

377 posted on 11/01/2002 12:27:07 PM PST by ksen
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To: xzins; Corin Stormhands
That "when" is explained by other scripture. It clearly says in Revelation 20 the sequence of events. There's a 1st resurrection, a 1000 year reign, and then a 2nd resurrection to stand before the White Throne Judgment. Do you deny that that is the sequence of Rev 20?

Always running to your "pet verse" aren't you?

That "when" is directly explained in the passage under examination: Do you deny that the scriptures say this?

SATAN: You say now is the millennium. You say that NOW is the time of Satan's binding. What proof do you see in today's newspaper that SATAN is bound?

Well, gosh, I guess that if I am looking to the secular news media for my faith I have a pretty big problem. Of course, you are bound by the scriptures from saying that Satan is under no restraint today.

I see proof that he's all over the place, deceiving and devouring. That's reality.

But can you see the workings of Satan under restraint?

SYMBOLIC INTERPRETATION: Your ENTIRE theory is built on symbolic interpretation.

Oh, yeah, I forgot that you believe that God's people will die since you oppose a metaphorical interpretation of any scriptures:
378 posted on 11/01/2002 12:30:53 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: RnMomof7; angelo
You do not believe God honored the animal sacrifices? I have always thought He did..but it was a temporary absolution..I am open to correction on that ..but God told them it was for their sins..and God does not lie.

I believe God honored the faith by which those sacrifices were offered. But the actual blood of those animals did not cleanse one single sin.

I will look for the verses on this when I get home. Or we can ping angelo, better hurry though, sunset on Friday comes early this time of year.

379 posted on 11/01/2002 12:31:32 PM PST by ksen
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To: jude24; RnMomof7
I don't see what you think I am resisting....

I realize that.

380 posted on 11/01/2002 12:33:54 PM PST by the_doc
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