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Principles of Literal Bible Interpretation
Bible Truth ^ | Revised, Aug 2001 | Cooper P. Abrams, III

Posted on 10/29/2002 5:18:29 AM PST by xzins



TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: actual; allegorical; bible; figurative; interpretation; literal; real; symbolic
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To: RnMomof7
So their will be three classes of people..the glorified bodies of the raptured saints,the saints not yet given glorified bodies and their heathan children?

I guess there would have to be.

When will the saints still in bodies get their glorified bodies?

At the end of the Millenium, when the sheep are seperated from the goats. The sheep to enter the Father's kingdom and the goats to the furnace of fire (Mt 13:41-43).

321 posted on 11/01/2002 9:19:28 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; RnMomof7
the temple sacrifices in the millennial kingdom -- They are memorials....similar to our communion. Communion is an opportunity to confess sin and remember that which covered it. "This is my body broken for you....[broken because of my sin]

"Do this in remembrance of me....[Some might think it is the "element" that confers forgiveness. Instead it is an act of remembering the sacrifice. The sacrifice confers forgiveness.]

322 posted on 11/01/2002 9:22:56 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins; RnMomof7; theAmbassador
Mt. 13:24 clearly states that it is a Kingdom of Heaven parable. Mt. 13:24-30 go into detail describing this kingdom.

In Mt 13:37-43 Jesus gives us the interpretation of the parable. Verses 37-41 describe things going on in the Son’s kingdom. Tares are being sown and eventually they are being gathered together.

Verses 42-43 describe the end of the Son’s kingdom with the tares thrown into a furnace of fire and the sheep entering the Father’s kingdom.

From the Amillenialist perspective, what are these two different kingdoms?

323 posted on 11/01/2002 9:30:01 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
What is the difference in the two ages?
324 posted on 11/01/2002 9:35:58 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
I think amills would say it is (1) The KOG now and (2) The consummation new heavens and new earth.

I don't think they distinguish between the expressions KOH and KOG.
325 posted on 11/01/2002 9:39:11 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
So he really doesnt come to rapture the church?
326 posted on 11/01/2002 9:44:22 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
The Tribulation Saints are not the Church, the Old Testament Saints are not the Church. Those saved from Pentecost until the Rapture are the Church.

Wow that is the first time I heard that K...So if only the folks saved from Pentacost to the Rapture are the saints does that eliminate Abraham? Noah? Mary? The apostles saved before Pentacost?

What are the living saved people left on the earth? What do they become if they are not the Bride too? Where do they go at the destruction of the old earth?

Do you have a scripture on that ?

327 posted on 11/01/2002 9:49:47 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; ksen
So if only the folks saved from Pentacost to the Rapture are the saints

Ksen said they are not the church AND he called them Old Testament SAINTS.

You have mistakenly added to what he said. I'm sure you see that you misinterpreted and/or mistyped what ksen's words were.

328 posted on 11/01/2002 9:53:37 AM PST by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
So, he doesn't come to rapture the church -- Is that what I said? Or did I say that the 2nd coming is when his foot touches down on Mt Olives?

I don't mind your misunderstanding what I say, Rn. You're just learning it anyway. You said you'd never studied it before.
329 posted on 11/01/2002 9:55:43 AM PST by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
Mom, I don't mind answering your questions. After all, that is what this site is all about. But I would appreciate the occasional answer to my questions.

Thanks... ;^)
330 posted on 11/01/2002 10:00:50 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Eze 42:13 Then said he unto me, The north chambers [and] the south chambers, which [are] before the separate place, they [be] holy chambers, where the priests that approach unto the LORD shall eat the most holy things: there shall they lay the most holy things, and the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; for the place [is] holy.
Eze 42:14 When the priests enter therein, then shall they not go out of the holy [place] into the utter court, but there they shall lay their garments wherein they minister; for they [are] holy; and shall put on other garments, and shall approach to [those things] which [are] for the people.
    Eze 43:18   And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These [are] the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
     Eze 43:19   And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.
     Eze 43:20   And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put [it] on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
     Eze 43:21   Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.   
  Eze 43:22   And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse [it] with the bullock.
     Eze 43:23   When thou hast made an end of cleansing [it], thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
     Eze 43:24   And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up [for] a burnt offering unto the LORD.
     Eze 43:25   Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat [for] a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
     Eze 43:26   Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
     Eze 43:27   And when these days are expired, it shall be, [that] upon the eighth day, and [so] forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.

Hbr 1:2   Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
     Hbr 1:3   Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Now the question is..was Jesus only a stop gap..is the REAL sacrifice the temple one?                                                    

331 posted on 11/01/2002 10:02:32 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
Mom, you kept pegging Woody and doc with this same question. How did you finally get it reconciled to your satisfaction?

The Temple Ksen..it negates the work of Christ..It made me go and really study it.,.

332 posted on 11/01/2002 10:04:03 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; ksen; xzins; the_doc; CCWoody
xzins:Finally, how is Satan bound NOW? I see an awful lot of sin and decay and destruction all around. And you want me to believe that Satan is bound NOW and out of commission!!

ksen: Mom, you kept pegging Woody and doc with this same question. How did you finally get it reconciled to your satisfaction?

Mom, I wouldn't mind hearing that one myself. I still cannot find an answer to that one.

333 posted on 11/01/2002 10:06:04 AM PST by jude24
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To: xzins; ksen; RnMomof7; theAmbassador; fortheDeclaration
SATAN: You say now is the millennium. You say that NOW is the time of Satan's binding. What proof do you see in today's newspaper that SATAN is bound?

I'd like for someone on the "A-team" to explain to me the spread of Islam if Satan's hands are bound.

Then we can move on the the Democratic party and "Jackass: The Movie"...

334 posted on 11/01/2002 10:06:17 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Jackass: The Movie"...

There are some things even this forum shouldn't be made to consider. *shudder*

335 posted on 11/01/2002 10:08:15 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
At the end of the Millenium, when the sheep are seperated from the goats. The sheep to enter the Father's kingdom and the goats to the furnace of fire (Mt 13:41-43).

So they never get a glorified body they take the body of death into heaven?

336 posted on 11/01/2002 10:10:48 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
There are some things even this forum shouldn't be made to consider. *shudder*

I don't know... I'd rather see Jackass than some other movies that come to mind....

Not that I'm planning on going to see it, mind you...

337 posted on 11/01/2002 10:11:29 AM PST by jude24
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To: xzins
the temple sacrifices in the millennial kingdom -- They are memorials....similar to our communion. Communion is an opportunity to confess sin and remember that which covered it. "This is my body broken for you....[broken because of my sin] "Do this in remembrance of me....[Some might think it is the "element" that confers forgiveness. Instead it is an act of remembering the sacrifice. The sacrifice confers forgiveness.]

Not according to the prophetic OT scriptures YOU used as proof texts

338 posted on 11/01/2002 10:12:05 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Mom, has any animal sacrifice EVER cleansed a single sin? Of course not. So if the OT animal sacrifices never cleansed a sin, what makes us think that future, Millenial animal sacrifices would cleanse sin?
339 posted on 11/01/2002 10:12:47 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
In Mt 13:37-43 Jesus gives us the interpretation of the parable. Verses 37-41 describe things going on in the Son’s kingdom. Tares are being sown and eventually they are being gathered together.



If Satan is in the pit how can HE sow tares?
340 posted on 11/01/2002 10:13:43 AM PST by RnMomof7
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