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Principles of Literal Bible Interpretation
Bible Truth ^ | Revised, Aug 2001 | Cooper P. Abrams, III

Posted on 10/29/2002 5:18:29 AM PST by xzins



TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: actual; allegorical; bible; figurative; interpretation; literal; real; symbolic
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To: RnMomof7
A couple questions Ksen.

Ooookkkkaaayy……

How many times will Christ return?

Once, His return at the Rapture and His return to the Mt. of Olives are all part of His Second Coming.

How will the people be deceived if Satan is bound

They won’t be deceived by Satan while he is bound. Nothing says that those born into the Millenial Kingdom won’t be deceived by there own fallen nature.

How could God screw up so often..can't He get anything right even when he is in their midst?

I never intimated God is “screwing” anything up. It is all part of His plan. Each “dispensation” has been to show Mankind that we cannot measure up to God. The Millenial Kingdom will be the final test to show Mankind that even with God living in their midst they still cannot measure up to God on their own.

One more time where will those babies come from again?

You must have a point you want to make in asking this same question two or three times.

The Tribulation Saints who survive the Tribulation will enter the Millenial Kingdom and will be able to have children.

301 posted on 11/01/2002 8:36:18 AM PST by ksen
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To: RnMomof7; ksen; fortheDeclaration; Corin Stormhands
Acts and Zechariah both say his foot will touch down on the Mount of Olives.

People will NOT be deceived until Satan is unbound. They can still SIN and harbor rebellion in their hearts because they are sons of Adam and the nature in the "regular/earthly" body remains the same.

The babies mentioned are born to those in earthly bodies, all of whom enter the millennial period by virtue of having survived.

How can it be screwed up if it's going forward exactly as God planned it? Rn, I understand that you're trying to wrap your mind around this new position you're flirting with, but you must also answer questions that you are asked, as well as pose them. It's only fair.....especially to you.

I will ask you again. If Satan is bound NOW what is it that he is forbidden from doing?

Also, why would an angel be incapable of binding another angel?

If the chains are symbolic, why aren't the angels symbolic?
302 posted on 11/01/2002 8:44:50 AM PST by xzins
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To: ksen
Once, His return at the Rapture and His return to the Mt. of Olives are all part of His Second Coming.

So He comes Once? To Rapture His Saints? ..So he does not come again AFTER the tribulation?

303 posted on 11/01/2002 8:49:01 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
They won’t be deceived by Satan while he is bound. Nothing says that those born into the Millenial Kingdom won’t be deceived by there own fallen nature.

then why does Christ need the rod of Iron?? Why are sacrifices for sin being offered in the temple?

304 posted on 11/01/2002 8:51:04 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
I never intimated God is “screwing” anything up. It is all part of His plan. Each “dispensation” has been to show Mankind that we cannot measure up to God. The Millenial Kingdom will be the final test to show Mankind that even with God living in their midst they still cannot measure up to God on their own.

What dispensation are we in now? What dispensation will we be in then?

305 posted on 11/01/2002 8:52:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen; RnMomof7; the_doc
You have 1 glaring problem with your interpretation of Matthew 13: Satan will be in the bottom of a pit. He will be unable to sow Tares. Therefore, your entire interpretation falls apart. Care to try again?

As for the Transfiguration of Christ, you have not considered that the transfiguration was done on Christ's body of sin not on the glory which He had before and returned to. Therefore, Christ is not yet been revealed as He is.

But that still leaves you with the problem that the saints on earth will see Him as He is. Now, if the tribulation saints are not the church, then they are not the Bride either. Christ died for His bride. Your interpretation has lots of problems.
306 posted on 11/01/2002 8:53:08 AM PST by theAmbassador
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To: RnMomof7; xzins
So He comes Once? To Rapture His Saints? ..So he does not come again AFTER the tribulation?

He comes once in the air to Rapture the Church and He comes once to the earth at the end of the Tribulation.

307 posted on 11/01/2002 8:56:54 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
The Tribulation Saints who survive the Tribulation will enter the Millenial Kingdom and will be able to have children.

So their will be three classes of people..the glorified bodies of the raptured saints,the saints not yet given glorified bodies and their heathan children?

When will the saints still in bodies get their glorified bodies?

308 posted on 11/01/2002 8:58:45 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
then why does Christ need the rod of Iron??

Those born into the Millenial Kingdom still have a fallen nature to deal with. The rod of iron will give them an incentive not to act upon their fallen natures.

Why are sacrifices for sin being offered in the temple?

Who said those are sacrifices for sin? From what I understand they are merely memorial sacrifices for the One Sacrifice on Calvary.

309 posted on 11/01/2002 8:59:38 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
So then there is more than one coming?
310 posted on 11/01/2002 9:01:00 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; xzins
What dispensation are we in now?

The Church Age.

What dispensation will we be in then?

The Millenial Kingdom.

311 posted on 11/01/2002 9:01:01 AM PST by ksen
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To: xzins; ksen; RnMomof7; the_doc
People will NOT be deceived until Satan is unbound. They can still SIN and harbor rebellion in their hearts because they are sons of Adam and the nature in the "regular/earthly" body remains the same. The babies mentioned are born to those in earthly bodies, all of whom enter the millennial period by virtue of having survived.

Denied by the Scriptures. Jesus will be revealed from heaven in a flaming fire to take veangence upon those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel: BTW, notice that these shall be punished when He comes, not 1000 years after He arrived.
312 posted on 11/01/2002 9:01:11 AM PST by theAmbassador
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To: ksen
You need to go read it for yourself..it says sacrifices for SIN...
313 posted on 11/01/2002 9:02:03 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
So their will be three classes of people..the glorified bodies of the raptured saints,the saints not yet given glorified bodies and their heathan children? When will the saints still in bodies get their glorified bodies?

Hey, forget that question. Obviously, these so called saints missed out on the first resurrection. They are not blessed or holy and they will not rule and they will not be kings and priests and they are vulenerable to the second death.

Heck, they aren't even part of the Bride according to ksen. Their lives are not hidden in God. In what way does the Lord even know them?
314 posted on 11/01/2002 9:04:09 AM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador
Satan in a pit does not change the genetic lineage of the people in earthly bodies. They will still be heirs of a sin nature. Why do you keep repeating this question and refusing the answer?

Christ after the resurrection: Was that His resurrection body that Thomas saw? That Paul saw on the way to Damascus? That John saw in Revelation 1? If so, can it be revealed in different stages of glory?

Nope. WE (those in resurrection bodies) will see Him as He is. The millennial occupants will be in a different dispensation. Enoch was a believer but he wasn't Jewish and he wasn't Christian.....is he part of the bride?

Finally, how is Satan bound NOW? I see an awful lot of sin and decay and destruction all around. And you want me to believe that Satan is bound NOW and out of commission!!
315 posted on 11/01/2002 9:05:42 AM PST by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
No. The mount of olives is the key to his 2nd coming. Anything other than that is not His 2nd coming.
316 posted on 11/01/2002 9:08:04 AM PST by xzins
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To: theAmbassador; RnMomof7; xzins
You have 1 glaring problem with your interpretation of Matthew 13: Satan will be in the bottom of a pit. He will be unable to sow Tares. Therefore, your entire interpretation falls apart. Care to try again?

Nah, I'll stick with mine. There is some time that passes between the householder planting the good seed and the enemy sowing the tares. Satan is eventually loosed and then he will work his mischief.

Mt 13:24-25,38 seems to indicate that at some point the world has been full of nothing but saved people. When was that? I submit that it is at the start of His Millenial Kingdom.

...you have not considered that the transfiguration was done on Christ's body of sin....

Are you saying that Christ had a body of sin before He went to Calvary?

Now, if the tribulation saints are not the church, then they are not the Bride either. Christ died for His bride.

The Tribulation Saints are not the Church, the Old Testament Saints are not the Church. Those saved from Pentecost until the Rapture are the Church.

Christ died for the sins of the world. His death affected the salvation of those in all the dispensations. He is currently calling out His Bride.

317 posted on 11/01/2002 9:10:11 AM PST by ksen
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To: RnMomof7
You need to go read it for yourself..it says sacrifices for SIN...

Sure I will read it, what was the passage you are referring to? Maybe I'm thinking of something different than you are.

318 posted on 11/01/2002 9:12:21 AM PST by ksen
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To: xzins; RnMomof7; the_doc; CCWoody
Finally, how is Satan bound NOW? I see an awful lot of sin and decay and destruction all around. And you want me to believe that Satan is bound NOW and out of commission!!

Mom, you kept pegging Woody and doc with this same question. How did you finally get it reconciled to your satisfaction?

319 posted on 11/01/2002 9:14:51 AM PST by ksen
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To: theAmbassador; RnMomof7; ksen; fortheDeclaration
That "when" is explained by other scripture. It clearly says in Revelation 20 the sequence of events. There's a 1st resurrection, a 1000 year reign, and then a 2nd resurrection to stand before the White Throne Judgment. Do you deny that that is the sequence of Rev 20?

SATAN: You say now is the millennium. You say that NOW is the time of Satan's binding. What proof do you see in today's newspaper that SATAN is bound?

I see proof that he's all over the place, deceiving and devouring. That's reality.

SYMBOLIC INTERPRETATION: Your ENTIRE theory is built on symbolic interpretation. Satan's binding is symbolic....that's what amill says. Why isn't Satan himself symbolic?
320 posted on 11/01/2002 9:17:49 AM PST by xzins
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