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Pope To Add New Mysteries to the Rosary
Catholic World News (Via Diocese Report) ^ | October 14, 2002 | Staff

Posted on 10/14/2002 9:50:58 AM PDT by Loyalist

POPE TO ADD NEW MYSTERIES TO THE ROSARY

VATICAN, Oct 16, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Pope John Paul II will release an apostolic letter on devotion to the Virgin Mary on October 16-- the anniversary of his election to the pontificate-- according to informed Vatican sources.

Leaks from the Vatican, in anticipation of the document's release, suggest that the Pope will introduce five new mysteries to the Rosary. The five new mysteries, the "luminous mysteries," will focus on the public life of Jesus Christ, Vatican sources say. They will be: the Baptism in the Jordan, the temptation in the desert, the proclamation of the Kingdom, the Transfigurations, and the entry into Jerusalem.

The Rosary is a traditional Marian devotion, popularized at first by St. Bernard, later by the Dominican order, and still later by St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort. The Rosary is composed of five joyful mysteries (which are recited on Mondays and Thursdays), five sorrowful mysteries (recited on Tuesdays and Saturdays), and five glorious mysteries (Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.) The five new mysteries would reportedly be used on Saturdays.

posted by Brian Barcaro 10/14/2002 08:31:16 AM


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Worship
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To: biblewonk
I am also not praying though my mind is focused on God and sending my little words to Him. It is not prayer.

Then, what exactly is prayer? Earlier on this thread you described the Rosary as "Mary Worship." That concept seems to be gone now.
61 posted on 10/14/2002 1:58:45 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: biblewonk
Why would God be interested in hearing what amounts to a chant?

I honestly don't know. So you need to ask yourself, why did He inspire the Psalms and make them Holy Scripture if He wasn't interested in hearing chants?

Here's a reading comprehension question: is there a difference between a repetition and a vain repetition?

When Christ prayed to His Heavenly Father, repeating the same words three times, was He making a repetition, or a vain repetition?

Would you consider the 119th Psalm a long prayer?

Why do the Psalms repeat the same phrases, sentiments and tropes again and again? Are the Psalms repetitive?

62 posted on 10/14/2002 1:58:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: biblewonk
A chant is a chant. If I get on my knees and repeat John 3:16 100 times, though John 3:16 is scripture, I am chanting. That is a vain repetition.

<> WRONG. The Bible does NOT say "anyone who repeats John 3:16 X numbers of time is engaged in vain repitition."

That is just ANOTHER example of a protestant reading into the Bible the oral traditions of the 16th Century heretics<>

63 posted on 10/14/2002 2:00:06 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: nickcarraway
Well, throught the years there have been many variations, and some people add different prayers. Someone could still go with just saying the Our Father and ten Hail Marys.

We can all agree when the Fatima prayer was added. When did the Gloria Patri come in? The Apostle's creed?

I was under the impression that these have been part of the Rosary for an awfully long time.
64 posted on 10/14/2002 2:02:43 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
When did the Gloria Patri come in?
If memory serves, I think it comes from de Montfort.
65 posted on 10/14/2002 2:05:38 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: .45MAN
If it wern't for Catholicism there would be no Christians and then no Protestants....

Did the Orthodox Church wink out of existence last night or something?

66 posted on 10/14/2002 2:07:25 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Desdemona
"But if the Church Fathers hadn't founded the church, what would you protest against? Christianity would have died out long before now."

Huh? Maybe you missed it. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. He also is the head of the church. The early "church" was nothing like the institution that was set up in the mid 4th century and grown to it's present condition. Wouldn't you agree that the closer you are to the original event the more accurate in interpreting the original intent?

67 posted on 10/14/2002 2:10:21 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: biblewonk
I am also not praying though my mind is focused on God and sending my little words to Him. It is not prayer.

Fascinating. Of what then, does prayer consist? What are words? Are they merely sounds, or do they stand for thoughts? If they stand for thoughts, should those thoughts be enunciated only once, or is it permissible to enunciate a thought more than once? If prayer cannot consist of repeated words, or of words at all, as you imply - then what does prayer consist of? Actions, perhaps, or emotions? Or maybe, all three?

On the issue of repetition - how long a time has to elapse between each time you say something in order for it not to be a repetition?

Should one read every scriptural text just one time, for fear that if they repeat it later that day, or ever, they are engaging in vain repetition?

Why does the heavenly host of Revelation continually praise the Lord by repeating the same words? Is God displeased with that particular instance of repetition?

Can one pray for something, like a parent's health for example, only once? If one has a sick parent, would it be immoral to pray for that parent's recovery every day? Or would it be permissible as long as someone took care to change their prayer for their parent's recovery slightly each day, so as not to exactly repeat it?

If God knows everything in our hearts before we even think to pray (which He surely does), is it immoral to pray?

68 posted on 10/14/2002 2:10:22 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Desdemona
Christianity would have died out long before now.

Wow, I'm really surprised you find God so weak. Keep your Roman Catholicism.

69 posted on 10/14/2002 2:12:43 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: biblewonk
You are very welcome :-)

There is one more interesting thing to know about the Bible.
In Islam only the original of Koran in Arabic is considered inspired. One may translate it to any language, but the translations are not the Koran for a Muslim.

All Christians, on the other hand, believe Bible can be translated to any language in the world and still retain its sacred and inspired character. Both the original and the translation are inspired.

The question is, Are ALL translations -- including the "modern," "genderless," "politically correct," "racially sensitive" -- inspired?

The Scriptures don't allow for either "additions" or "subtractions" (Revelation 22:18-19) from the sacred text -- and so the answer is NO, not all possible translations are inspired. Which means some translations ARE inspired and some AREN’T.

Following question is, Who decides what specific translation is inspired and what isn't?

Answer, Only the Author decides that.

The Church is the Author (and the only legitimate Guardian) of the Bible through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Or, one could say, the Holy Spirit is the Author through the Church.
The Church and only the Church wrote the Bible and rightfully decides about the contents of the Sacred Scriptures -- what Books are the Bible and what are not.
The Church and only the Church decides what particular translations are inspired, and the Church and only the Church rightfully decides about interpretation (Peter 1:20) of the Sacred Scriptures.

Since the 4th century Latin translation by St. Jerome (the Vulgate) is one of the legitimate (inspired) translations of THE BIBLE.

St. Jerome, one of the Fathers of the Church, was author of these famous words: Ignorance of the Scripture is ignorance of Christ.

70 posted on 10/14/2002 2:13:51 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: Ex-Wretch
Maybe you missed it. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. He also is the head of the church. The early "church" was nothing like the institution that was set up in the mid 4th century and grown to it's present condition.

Well, maybe YOU missed it, but if the followers of Jesus hadn't perservered, the faith would have died. That's 300 years of perserverence. Through persecution from all sorts of places.
71 posted on 10/14/2002 2:14:12 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Wrigley
I'm really surprised you find God so weak. Keep your Roman Catholicism.

God isn't weak. Sometimes men are. And sometimes men listen to men who think they know better than those who have passed tradition for 1500 years. And they deceive themselves.
72 posted on 10/14/2002 2:16:50 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: biblewonk
Does the verse in the bible about vain repetitions

No such verse exists. (Hint: check a good Koine Greek dictionary before you respond. It's a mistranslation in the KJV.)

73 posted on 10/14/2002 2:24:29 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Ex-Wretch
The early "church" was nothing like the institution that was set up in the mid 4th century and grown to it's present condition.

That's a pretty strong, and incorrect, claim.

First of all, there's no need to enclose the Church in quotation marks when referring to its early history. Christians of that time referred to the Church as the Church and counted themselves mebers of the Church. It's not a later, interpolated term which needs to be somehow sanitized by quotation marks.

The bishops of the 350s were consecrated as bishops by the bishops of the preceding generation and they in turn were consecrated by the generation preceding them. There was no radical break in leadership. There was no radical break in liturgy in the 350s either. There was no radical break in doctrine. There was no radical break in organization.

The only thing that happened to the Church in the middle of the IVth century was that it was again legal to be a Christian. It had been legal to be a Christian before that time as well, in the days before Diocletian.

The Church of the IVth century would have been unthinkable without the the Church of the IIIrd, IInd and Ist centuries and its undeniable continuity with them.

74 posted on 10/14/2002 2:24:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Loyalist
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

A bump for the most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

"Never will anyone who says his rosary every day be led astray. This is a statement that I would gladly sign with my blood."-St. Louis De Montfort

75 posted on 10/14/2002 2:37:04 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Desdemona
A bit beyond Nancy Drew and Sherlock Holmes.
76 posted on 10/14/2002 2:53:22 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: biblewonk
I used to ride around in my police cruiser listening to FM radio broadcasts of the Moody Bible Inst. They were very anti-catholic. But I found something interesting. They (protestant ministers/speakers) would steal from Catholicism and repackage it as protestantism.

For example, for awhile one woman protestant minister was just finding out about contemplative prayer and it was becoming all the rage at her church and in her circles.

Maybe we'll have you all saying the Rosary soon enough, but just call it something different.

77 posted on 10/14/2002 2:53:22 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: biblewonk
Here's some vain repetition:

"And they cried one to another, and said: "Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God of hosts all the earth is full of his glory." Is. 6

"And the four living creatures had each of them six wings; and round about and within they are full of eyes. And they rested not day and night, saying: Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come."-Apoc. 4

Appears to me that God may rather enjoy that repetition.

78 posted on 10/14/2002 3:09:16 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: biblewonk
Every hail Mary contains the name of Jesus. You object to that?
79 posted on 10/14/2002 3:13:43 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: eastsider
Thank you for mentioning the booklet on the Royal Mysteries. My father prayed these Royal Mysteries you listed, but I never knew where he got them. I bet if I look in the boxes of his books I have, I'll come across Fr. Walls booklet.
80 posted on 10/14/2002 3:19:54 PM PDT by Siobhan
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