[CCWoody]

Your post just goes to show just how one sided the hate is from the Catholics. Of course, we expect that the truth we teach will be rejected by the world.

I'd love to post, but I do have responsibilities which have me very busy right now. Keep slogging through all the posts of the bigots here and keep me bumped.

[Catholicguy]

<> It seems to be the Calvinist position that everything is predetermined. Even that I am predetermined to go to Hell. That dark doctrine makes of Jesus a Liar. You are welcome to it. I want no part of that Evil.

IF all had been predetermined, then one would have to conclude that Jesus established His Church, sent the Holy Spirit upon it to Teach it all truth, promised to be with His Church until the end of time but He was intentionallly Lying. He REALLY did not intend that.

No, according to the logic of Calvinism, He established His Catholic Church to spread errors and falsehoods, lies, and false Doctrine for 16 Centuries before finally raising up the great champion Calvin to set everything right.

In the meantime 100's of millions of Christians lived and died and were sent to Hell for everlasting punishment for believing the false doctrine spread by the Catholic Church that Jesus established because that was the predetermined plan of God. Serves them bastards right

Yep, it all makes perfect sense to me when I look at it that way.:)<>

<> This is your Faith. And it is the Faith that the_doc got you to accept. Do you think for a nanosecond I'd fall for such evil insanity?<>

[Polycarp]

Your post just goes to show just how one sided the hate is from the Catholics

This from the one who calls Mary Mother of Jesus the "Queen of Hell?"

Who you trying to kid.

Plus I can just use the_doc's standard response that we're simply using harsh but necessary words for those whose hearts are cold and ears are closed.

I'm thrilled to see that collection of quotes BTW.

They're just as valid now as the first time they were posted by their respective Catholic Freepers.

[Irisshlass]

we expect that the truth we teach will be rejected by the world.

if those that preached it live accordingly to God's Word, maybe it wouldn't rejected...

[Polycarp]

"Keep slogging through all the posts of the bigots here and keep me bumped."

Here's one of my own personal favorites. Its just as appropriate now as the first time I posted it:

Subject: Some thoughts on the "Big Picture," how we got where we are with the culture of death: It all started with ...the Reformation???

I have seen parts of this idea in other writings, specifically Belloc's drawing the arrival of communism back to the reformation, and Kippley relating the sexual revolution to the Lambeth Conference in 1930, and other earlier developments.

This is in response to an attack on Catholicism by anti-Catholic fundamentalists, in case you wonder at my vitriol.

.....

Some thoughts on the "Big Picture," how we got where we are with the culture of death: It all started with ...the Reformation???

Basic Bible Only Christian Assumption: "With the Reformation, God Reformed his church back to what it was by restoring the Truth "

This was neither reformation nor restoration but deformation and revolt.

Fifteen hundred years after Christ, someone came along who was overly scrupulous and could not bear the burden of his guilty conscience. This man was a priest, but could not control his sexual passions. He used some abuses in Christ's Church in a remote corner of Christendom as an excuse upon which to hang his revolt.

So he invented a new false gospel to assuage his guilt and foisted it on the world. Bible books that did not fit his new false gospel were simply removed on his own "authority."

Intrinsic to this new false gospel was a rejection of the authority Jesus Christ Himself gave His Church on earth. That authority willed by God, was replaced with a new "authority," private interpretation of scripture.

However, the genie was now out of the bottle.

First man rejected the authority of God to give authority to the very Church He created.

Then man questioned the authority of scripture itself, and whether God was truly Creator.

Then man questioned not only the authority of God but His very existence.

Now man declares, GOD ID DEAD.

And if GOD IS DEAD, the final, natural conclusion of rejection of God's authority started 500 years ago, then man can do anything he damn well pleases to anyone. Might makes right. There is no such thing as "wrong." There is no authority upon which to hang any code of morality.

The twentieth century

In 1930 mainstream "Bible only" protestantism fell into apostasy regarding contraception. Christianity always taught contraception was intrinsically evil. (This was ALL Christians, for ALL time, not just Catholics. The point isn't even open for debate. I can quote hundreds of protestant reformers and subsequent protestant theologians and writers, up to this very day, to prove this was the continual teaching of Christianity.)

This apostasy on contraception is the very root cause of abortion. Abortion follows the acceptance of contraceptive mentality as night follows day. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the US Supreme Court decision that confirmed Roe v. Wade [U.S. decision to permit abortions] stated "in some critical respects, abortion is of the same character as the decision to use contraception... for two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail." As Professor Janet Smith points out, "The Supreme Court decision has made completely unnecessary, any efforts to "expose" what is really behind the attachment of the modern age to abortion. As the Supreme Court candidly states, we need abortion so that we can continue our contraceptive lifestyles."

Furthermore, because mainstream protestantism and "Bible Christianity" in general condones non-procreative contraceptive sex, they have no moral authority upon which to preach against non-procreative homosexual sex. Thus the homosexual agenda juggernaut is directly a result of the apostasy of "Bible Christianity" on the birth control issue, as well as the reluctance of the Catholic hierarchy and priesthood to promote Humanae Vitae and the Church's true teachings on sexuality in general.

And if you can kill the innocent baby in the womb, why not granny in the nursing home? Euthanasia too is becoming widespread, as a result of the acceptance of abortion, which came from apostasy on the birth control issue.

The widespread acceptance in American culture of the culture of death --abortion, contraception, homosexuality, euthanasia-- lies squarely on the backs of those who apostatized on the life issues several decades ago. They apostatized because of private interpretation of scripture.

All because a man 500 years ago placed his own new false gospel of the "Bible alone" and "private interpretation of scripture" above the authority Christ Himself established as the protection against the destruction of the Gospel message Christ entrusted to His Church.

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Atheism, the contraceptive mentality, acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, the Culture of Death...pity...these are the fruits of the so-called "restoration" that was the protestant "reformation."

Yes, of course, the roots of all evil are in Original Sin.

But Christianity was making inroads against these evils till this revolt's natural consequences, over several ensuing centuries, reversed the trend.

Sorry if this offends my protestant brethren. But I will not be shamed into silence. I'm sick of the ignorance and blindness to the brutal reality of the consequences of this so-called reformation within modern protestantism, and the growing anti-Catholic attitude I'm seeing all too often lately.

The answer does not lie in a further protestantization of Catholicism. We either go back to the ways of God and the order Jesus Himself ordained, a teaching Church with a magisterium and Pope, lead and protected by the Holy Spirit, or we go forward into oblivion and the culture of death.

[Polycarp]

Here's another one of my own personal favorites.

9/15/99, Johnstown Tribune Democrat

That is why I keep smiling. Satan knows the right address. So do I.

by Brian J. Kopp, DPM

     At the Folk Festival Anabaptists protested outside one of the Catholic churches in Cambria City. Down the street, another Catholic church has been gutted of its Catholic identity in the name of "Vatican II." Several years ago, homosexual activists broke into St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City, disrupting the mass and desecrating the Eucharist. Strangely enough, despite these sacrileges I manage to smile.

     Disobedient priests defy liturgical law and deny moral teachings, and our diocesan spokespersons misrepresent the Church's position on central issues such as homosexuality or evolution. Our bishops allow pro-abortion politicians to speak at "catholic" functions while powerful cardinals try to suppress the worldwide ministry of a holy nun in Alabama because she calls a heretic a heretic.

     The media splashes the sexual crimes of Catholic clergy all over the front pages, ignoring the same among other denominations.

     East Timor is suppressed and persecuted by Indonesia, and few report that East Timor, settled by Portugal, is 80% Catholic while Indonesia is Muslim.

     The Russians, under Stalin, murdered over 10 million Ukrainian catholics, but the only holocaust we hear about is the other one. Atheists try to claim the moral high ground, pointing to the Inquisition or the Crusades, while failing to admit to the murder of over 200 million citizens by their atheistic governments over the last 100 years. Western proponents of population control and abortion call for the expulsion of the Vatican from the United Nations in retaliation for the Vatican's efforts against the Culture of Death. Despite all this, I smile.

     Few do evil thinking they are doing evil. Many do evil thinking they are doing good. Satan uses them, willingly or not, to deliver his message. Satan knows the right address, attacking the "pillar and foundation of truth, the Church of the Living God." (1Tim: 3:15.) His attacks on Christ's Church, coming from within and without, will never end. Our faith in Jesus Christ and His Church should never end either. That is why I keep smiling. Satan knows the right address. So do I.