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To: CCWoody
"Keep slogging through all the posts of the bigots here and keep me bumped."

Here's one of my own personal favorites. Its just as appropriate now as the first time I posted it:

Subject: Some thoughts on the "Big Picture," how we got where we are with the culture of death: It all started with ...the Reformation???

I have seen parts of this idea in other writings, specifically Belloc's drawing the arrival of communism back to the reformation, and Kippley relating the sexual revolution to the Lambeth Conference in 1930, and other earlier developments.

This is in response to an attack on Catholicism by anti-Catholic fundamentalists, in case you wonder at my vitriol.

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Some thoughts on the "Big Picture," how we got where we are with the culture of death: It all started with ...the Reformation???

Basic Bible Only Christian Assumption: "With the Reformation, God Reformed his church back to what it was by restoring the Truth "

This was neither reformation nor restoration but deformation and revolt.

Fifteen hundred years after Christ, someone came along who was overly scrupulous and could not bear the burden of his guilty conscience. This man was a priest, but could not control his sexual passions. He used some abuses in Christ's Church in a remote corner of Christendom as an excuse upon which to hang his revolt.

So he invented a new false gospel to assuage his guilt and foisted it on the world. Bible books that did not fit his new false gospel were simply removed on his own "authority."

Intrinsic to this new false gospel was a rejection of the authority Jesus Christ Himself gave His Church on earth. That authority willed by God, was replaced with a new "authority," private interpretation of scripture.

However, the genie was now out of the bottle.

First man rejected the authority of God to give authority to the very Church He created.

Then man questioned the authority of scripture itself, and whether God was truly Creator.

Then man questioned not only the authority of God but His very existence.

Now man declares, GOD ID DEAD.

And if GOD IS DEAD, the final, natural conclusion of rejection of God's authority started 500 years ago, then man can do anything he damn well pleases to anyone. Might makes right. There is no such thing as "wrong." There is no authority upon which to hang any code of morality.

The twentieth century

In 1930 mainstream "Bible only" protestantism fell into apostasy regarding contraception. Christianity always taught contraception was intrinsically evil. (This was ALL Christians, for ALL time, not just Catholics. The point isn't even open for debate. I can quote hundreds of protestant reformers and subsequent protestant theologians and writers, up to this very day, to prove this was the continual teaching of Christianity.)

This apostasy on contraception is the very root cause of abortion. Abortion follows the acceptance of contraceptive mentality as night follows day. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the US Supreme Court decision that confirmed Roe v. Wade [U.S. decision to permit abortions] stated "in some critical respects, abortion is of the same character as the decision to use contraception... for two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail." As Professor Janet Smith points out, "The Supreme Court decision has made completely unnecessary, any efforts to "expose" what is really behind the attachment of the modern age to abortion. As the Supreme Court candidly states, we need abortion so that we can continue our contraceptive lifestyles."

Furthermore, because mainstream protestantism and "Bible Christianity" in general condones non-procreative contraceptive sex, they have no moral authority upon which to preach against non-procreative homosexual sex. Thus the homosexual agenda juggernaut is directly a result of the apostasy of "Bible Christianity" on the birth control issue, as well as the reluctance of the Catholic hierarchy and priesthood to promote Humanae Vitae and the Church's true teachings on sexuality in general.

And if you can kill the innocent baby in the womb, why not granny in the nursing home? Euthanasia too is becoming widespread, as a result of the acceptance of abortion, which came from apostasy on the birth control issue.

The widespread acceptance in American culture of the culture of death --abortion, contraception, homosexuality, euthanasia-- lies squarely on the backs of those who apostatized on the life issues several decades ago. They apostatized because of private interpretation of scripture.

All because a man 500 years ago placed his own new false gospel of the "Bible alone" and "private interpretation of scripture" above the authority Christ Himself established as the protection against the destruction of the Gospel message Christ entrusted to His Church.

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Atheism, the contraceptive mentality, acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, the Culture of Death...pity...these are the fruits of the so-called "restoration" that was the protestant "reformation."

Yes, of course, the roots of all evil are in Original Sin.

But Christianity was making inroads against these evils till this revolt's natural consequences, over several ensuing centuries, reversed the trend.

Sorry if this offends my protestant brethren. But I will not be shamed into silence. I'm sick of the ignorance and blindness to the brutal reality of the consequences of this so-called reformation within modern protestantism, and the growing anti-Catholic attitude I'm seeing all too often lately.

The answer does not lie in a further protestantization of Catholicism. We either go back to the ways of God and the order Jesus Himself ordained, a teaching Church with a magisterium and Pope, lead and protected by the Holy Spirit, or we go forward into oblivion and the culture of death.
667 posted on 10/10/2002 1:55:13 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
This apostasy on contraception is the very root cause of abortion.
...Furthermore, because mainstream protestantism and "Bible Christianity" in general condones non-procreative contraceptive sex, they have no moral authority upon which to preach against non-procreative homosexual sex.

Hypocricy

The abortion index by religion during 1994-1995 was found to be:

Protestants: 0.69
Followers of a non-Judeo-Christian religion: 0.78
Catholics: 1.01%
Jews: 1.08
Persons who do not follow an organized religion: 4.02

1999

Attorney Tom Smith, who has represented about a dozen clients seeking damages from abortion clinics, writes: "Minors are the group most likely to be ambivalent; some fail to involve their parents and represent 20 percent of abortions. Women having repeat procedures represent 47 percent of all abortions. Those with strong religious convictions are a significant percentage of the 30 percent Roman Catholic women getting abortions and 16 percent who consider themselves born again Christians.

If you choose to use Birthcontrol and abortion as proof of correct doctrine you had best examine your own Church Poly

671 posted on 10/10/2002 2:23:21 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Polycarp; Matchett-PI; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7
Atheism, the contraceptive mentality, acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, the Culture of Death...pity...these are the fruits of the so-called "restoration" that was the protestant "reformation."

What weed have you been smoking? We left the Culture of Death when we left the Roman Catholic Church. Good grief, the Culture of Sodom is the fruit of the Catholic Church.
676 posted on 10/10/2002 2:47:55 PM PDT by CCWoody
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