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To: drstevej
You might consider it speculation but it is the root of the catholic argument.

If you don't address a "doctrine of filial affection" then you haven't dealt with the historic root that Mariology grew out of. This is what convinced Scott Hahn that catholicism's argument wasn't bankrupt. It covers both the immaculate conception and the assumption in their view. In Hahn's "Hail, Holy Queen" he says (pg158)

(old priest in pulpit is speaking; Hahn is listening) "We're celebrating our mother today!"
..."if anybody should ask you," he thundered, "'Why do you believe that Mary was conceived without sin?' what are you gonna tell him?" He paused.
"What are you gonna tell him?" He paused again.
Then with a twinkle, he said, "Tell him this: If you could have created your mother and preserved her from original sin, would you? Would you?....Of course you would!
"But could you? No, you couldn't! But Jesus could and so Jesus did!"

Now, is your teaching about Jesus' filial affection and the extent to which he would go for his mother?

159 posted on 10/08/2002 9:34:21 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Xzins, are you walking down Scott Hahn's path to Rome?

The preist's argument may convince Scott and tantalize you but not me. Silence is golden, however I am not gonna make a throne for Mary our of the stuff.

I will honor for what the Bible honors her.



167 posted on 10/08/2002 10:00:05 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: xzins
Then with a twinkle, he said, "Tell him this: If you could have created your mother and preserved her from original sin, would you? Would you?....Of course you would!
"But could you? No, you couldn't! But Jesus could and so Jesus did!"

To which I would reply: "If you could have created your sons and daughters, the brothers and sisters (and co-heirs) with your firstborn Son, and preserved them from original sin, would you? Of course you would! Could you? No, you couldn't! But God could have (according to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception)...and DIDN'T!"

168 posted on 10/08/2002 10:00:39 AM PDT by Frumanchu
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To: xzins; Dr Steve
So was Saint Anne sinless and was Marys Father sinless?

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean [thing] out of an unclean? not one..

Scott bends the word to fit his theology as I proved on another thread..He is a man that likes getting attention a token convert ...my guess unregenerate..

175 posted on 10/08/2002 10:24:40 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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